i wonder if the slower ones have 450MHZ buss and the dual has a 500MHz bud double rated of cource with faster ram, like the original mdd's. if its a hack its a good job, without a picture of the g5 i will wait for steve to make it official, why release specs and no pic. if they dont deliver the hacker should go to jail as this can ruin thier sales if they only have 1.4 GHZ singles Thank you god my prayers have been awnsered!!! Better late then never.!! Wooo Hoooo! as a musician i have never failed to complain about apple's lack of upgrading thier early 90's soundmanager engine and actually degrading by using mini slots, instead of rca and taking the inputs off of certain macs, not to mention its lack of support for 24bit audio in itunes, imovie, idvd, and other mac apps while at the same time boasting macosx 32bit/96-192 possibilities. i remember the first two comptuers with built in midi ports and support, the yamaha cx5m and the atari st and i still have an st with logic version 2.5, but no longer a harddrive to run it from, that was the most stable and titest midi program ever. no crash in almost 10 years. anyway i digress the leaked 1200 amjune 20th 2003 stats make me very happy, not only can i use the 10000 rpm raptor on the sata 150 megabyte per second which is equal at most things to it's scsi counterparts incuding price but not transfer speed. can also use tth pcix slots to trully take advantage of 320megabyte per second scsi and 15000 rpm drives woo hoo. Apple should have kept OS9 booting on all macs up to this, cause these are what is really needed to take full advantage of it. I am glad i kept my original BW G3 600G$oc and look forward to my dual this xmas providing the cost is around $2500 or so. I will keep my BW for OSX and my many OS9 only apps and games and edu programs that run better and sometimes only in OS9. hopefully someone will hack OS9 capabity into one of these for deus ex and alice and a few others but no problem, as a game player i cant wait to see fps compared to the 3GHZ plus P4 and the 1.8GHZ 64bit AMD chip with 2MB cache. you know i waited so long i dont even care how it looks as long as it is stable and fast and has good quality and run Panther/Jag well. Hopefully Ati and Nvdia will finally release up to date (pc timetable) video cards as i am dieing to see what a 256MB 9800 will do optimzed for 2 processors. will mp3 and dvd encoding be instaneous? Apple has got to price these right and they will gain market share too high and they will stay the same starting at 1.6 leaves room for the powerbooks and other macs to move up in speed. the cpu upgraders, sonnet and powerlogix better lower thier prices quick or risk being sattled with a lot of inventory same for the used powermac market A new era has arised!! Now my name makes sense after all DaveG5 says peace Out!!