National dead heat, feel the Bern.

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    The 'big easy' just got uglier.

    No help from Obama, no help from Biden, big names stand on the sidelines as she falls once again.

    Axelrod Tweet:
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hil...ernie-sanders-democrats/2016/02/08/id/713335/

    Major backfire with women:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/u...-albright-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html

    And who can forget the FBI's now FORMAL INVESTIGATION:
    FBI formally confirms its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server

    Exclusive: Presidential hopefuls Sanders, Clinton in dead heat - Reuters/Ipsos poll
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSMTZSAPEC253J02S1

    I can smell the fear from here.
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    Hard to think she's an easy in, when Bloomberg is warming up this late in the game:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/michael-bloomberg-2016-election/
     
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    At this point, the mods just should make a Hillary sub-forum. Lol.
     
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    Well in New Hampshire, the traditional first village to report returns in that primary (Dixville Notch, population 9) has made its mark: Sanders 4 for the Democrats, Kasich 3 and Trump 2 for the GOP. So that's that. :p Everybody pack up, split up and head for Nevada and South Carolina next!

     
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    Sanders - Kasich I think are the most palatable candidates.
     
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    Dixville Notch is like 20 miles from the Canadian Border. Clinton can say the 4-vote blowout for Bernie in that tiny village was completely due to the cold winds of Socialism blowing down from the lands of our northern neighbor. :D
     
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    I don't understand how Kasich can be so low in the polls. He's decent.
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    Socialism - like roads, police, military, and other things you might not be aware of?

    Besides, wouldn't socialism net you more money? Right now, people accept less pay to remain competitive so the company can prosper so its do-nothing stock owners can remain oinking in their troughs. Meanwhile, if you are going to use the S-word, let's read the description:

    Oh, ouch.

    Even more poignant,

    is Bernie a socialist?
    No:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/10/13/bernie_sanders_isn_t_much_of_a_socialist.html

    As you just read, which tells a bit about his record, he is a Democratic Socialist. Big difference.


    Oh, what he says on gun control - anything unreasonable here?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+gun+rights&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=m.01_gbv//short
     
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    More like walking-dead heat. I'd like to have the Geritol concession for both campaigns.
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    Kasich is too much in touch with his feminine side:

    John Kasich told voters at a New Hampshire town hall Sunday that after the endorsements of the Boston Globe, several New Hampshire newspapers, and New York Times, he “thought about all of this and I cried.”
    Even the Democrats wouldn't tolerate Edmund Muskie crying just before the New Hampshire primary. And he had something like a good reason.
     
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    Bernie should start using The Trammp's Disco Inferno song as a stage entry tune. Burn, baby, burn!
     
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    I've been watching some of the talking heads go on and on about this loss. Many of the "old guard" have simply come out and said "she's in trouble because of the margin of the win". She lost in every single demo except 65+.

    The whole Hillary run has been a stumble from the start. She announces on a video, then re-announces again. Starts off with a "scooby van" then dumps that. Starts doing staged talks with selected people. It makes the news that she's eating at a regular restaurant. The media is chasing her in a staged setup as if she was trying not to say "look everyone's chasing me" She goes after Trump and others saying "they're all chasing after me". She ropes off the media. She doesn't want debates then she wants more debates. Her speeches are clunky, nothing smooth about her. She doesn't embrace the public, she clearly doesn't like the public.

    Her biggest problems are she's not likable, dishonest, and feels entitled.

    She's going to have a big problem if she ever gets to the general.
     
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    She really isn't. She basically ran on her husbands name and was a dirty carpetbagger.

    Illustration: She got smoked by Obama out of nowhere. And Now she has another fight with Bernie. Highly suggests the public isn't sold on her despite her having been around forever and has a POTUS Hubby.

    It's her as a person people aren't sold on.
     
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    Several big names have pointed that out. Someone had a sound bite where she was basically saying that "the people need to get to know her" It was as if she thinks she doesn't need to change to what the people want.

    This is the real problem with some people, they don't see that others don't like them. Self-refection is very, very hard for humans to do. It's probably the hardest thing for someone to do.

    In order for someone to grow, they have to question their answers. Using critical thinking on ourselves is very hard and many will never do it.
     
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    Not too feminine. The scumbag just signed a bill to defund Planned Parenthood in Ohio.

    Hey, it's 13º over here. I'm feeling the Brrr!
     
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    Yo, did you miss the :D in my post? I'm a Bernie supporter...

    Bernie got my grocery money for the rest of Februrary. The catfood will look good in a couple weeks and the cats themselves not bad the week after that. But I got my Bernie mug and plenty coffee so I'm good.

    It was 8º here this morning, we're looking at a forecast of -12º for Saturday night which usually translates right here to around -22º. So I'll be feeling the Brrrr too! That lying groundhog from Pennsylvania... he'd feel something if I could lay hands on him Sunday morning when I get up at 3am to make sure the pipes haven't frozen.
     
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    Do you understand what a poor foreign policy president Sanders would be?
     
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    Sure, would like like full blown imperialism (Clinton, GOP), or imperialism-lite (Sanders)?
     
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    yeah, the current kill all brown people policy is working wonders :rolleyes:
     
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    Lawyers always say never ask a question when you don't already know the answer. I don't really buy that but let's face it, the answer to that question is "Nobody knows.

    Nobody knows! How good a foreign policy president was Harry Truman?

    How about George W. Bush? Obama?

    I could hazard a guess on Trump.

    It's not like you install a president and the world sits down like a bunch of first graders waiting for Miss Smith to write her name on the blackboard and take attendance. You elect a president, he appoints a cabinet with the boisterous assistance of a signal-sending Senate, he rounds up some policy advisors from here there and the contacts lists of his candidacy, and we're off to the races. In which the USA is not the only horse.
     
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    Interesting piece about Sanders and foreign policy by a guy who was an assistant secretary of defense for the Reagan administration:

    Bernie Sanders Is More Serious on Foreign Policy Than You Think


    An excerpt:

    In my dealings with him, and in analyzing his record in Congress over the past 25 years, I have found that Sanders has taken balanced, realistic positions on many of the most critical foreign policy issues facing the country. In the mold of realists like Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to Presidents Richard Nixon and George H.W. Bush, Sanders voted against the invasion of Iraq in 2002, while wisely supporting the war against in Afghanistan in 2001 and the intervention in the Balkans in 1990s. And Sanders certainly isn’t a foreign policy lightweight: In fact, given his long tenure in the House and Senate, he has more foreign policy experience than Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama did when they were running for office the first time.


    And another:

    Sanders’ military restraint extends to spending, too. Since coming to Congress, he has argued forcefully and repeatedly for eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in the Pentagon so that we can reduce defense spending. There is no need for the United States to spend more than the next seven top-spending countries in the world combined, several of which are our allies, and more in real dollars than we spent annually on average during the Cold War. As President Obama has pointed out, while America has many challenges in the world, we are not in the midst of World War III.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I've been a Bernie supporter for several years now (he's been on Tom Hartmann's show every Friday for the last decade taking phone calls) and never in my wildest dreams did I think back then that he'd get this far.

    I don't think the man alone can end the military adventurism that our military and intelligence agencies partake on behalf of economic interests. I DO think that by getting the ball rolling fixing things here at home and tearing down some of the larger banks and corporate cartels, those agencies begin to lose their neoliberal influences and hopefully start to go back to defense purposes.

    That may be a hard paragraph to get through if you don't know much about US military/financial weaponry tactics, but this is how power operates in the world today.



    I'm voting Bernie in the primaries here.
     
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    I'm hoping to live long enough to see some transparency in whatever the heck all those people in the Pentagon do. I don't mean explain to me what secret military hardware they are testing. I mean how do we know all the vehicles or spare parts or ammo or lengths of 8" PVC pipe ended up where they were supposed to, and did we pay a right price for the stuff? Since I paid for it, nice to know if I paid what I'd pay at the local Home Dep or I paid about 43 times that much after kickbacks, markups, commisisons, and so forth in whatever country we were parking it in FOR SOME REASON.

    Mind you, I'm not anti-military; like plenty of other Americans --at least of my advancing age-- I have family who've served, friends who've served and died, or who served and come back to praise or damn "how it was" past just doing whatever they were supposed to do. I appreciate and honor the men and women who stand watch so I don't have to. But the sheer sums of money we plow into "defense"... as you say, if it's for defense, great. Otherwise then the shame of how we fail to prepare (even clothe) our soldiers and fail to care for them properly as they come home or leave service, that shame is tripled and quadrupled for every misspent buck.

    If "defense money" is for anything else --and for me anything else includes securing oil producing facilities because imo that stuff should now stop being pumped out of the very ground!-- then maybe not so great.

    The adventurism, the protection of foreign investments when US corporations doing business abroad get nervous because of a leftward shift in a host country's politics, the decades later revelations of "oh yeah, we were in there but you kow it was about national security" - messing up Chile's government was not about national security, it was about US companies wanting Allende gone. That stuff always comes back to haunt us. When the American involvements in Chile were revealed, I was among other US citizens who ended up having to read little green cards set by our office phones about how to behave during bomb threats on banks and offices in NYC. As the security guard on our floor said after reading his version of the bomb threat handling instructions, "Great. I came to this country to get away from this ****."

    So I might not be talking about what you're talking about but I see a place where Sanders can use the bully pulpit to try to make a change. I am for sure not the only person who appreciates military service but thinks putting either the troops or the money in harm's way for other than legit defense purposes is a COMPLETE crock. Money was not carved out of our paychecks and our troops were not born just to line the pockets of companies whose business models don't work without borrowing the military powers of the USA. And the worst thing is I'm sure I don't know the half of it.
     
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    Afraid you'll be next?
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    Russia, ISIS and China are out of control. Sanders couldn't handle it. He'd probably also cut military spending. Big mistake.
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    That's right. You don't know. So you have to make an educated guess. I'm not willing to trust Sanders with Russia, China, and ISIS.
     
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    It's not like Sanders was hatched yesterday. He's been in the Senate for a long time and certainly doesn't appear to have been a dilettante about doing his homework on the votes involving military commitments. My educated guess on his grasp of foreign policy is that he has a decent foundation and can build up by collecting some knowledgeable advisors (as any sane president does). I'm probably good with his foreign policy approach.

    On what about China, Russia, ISIS do you think Sanders cannot adequately direct our policy?

    China and Russia have their own and burgeoning domestic problems right now. Russia merits a smackdown for doing what it's been doing in Syria but that doesn't require our unilateral intervention. We need better DOJ anti-trust and some better cybernetic capabilities to deal with state sponsored hackers. ISIS, as my congressman put it the other day, is not ten feet tall. Like they're tough but not so very special and they're human, fallible, vulnerable, can be defeated. That's my short take.

    Bernie can't be terribly challenged by managing those relationships. The tricky stuff always seems to emanate from some pipsqueak country that suddenly either just implodes or breaks a truce from previous implosion. They always bear watching because any of the larger powers may decide to step into a vacuum in some way that doesn't stand to benefit the US, and then we get involved even if only by proxy or through the UN. Africa is a mess of implosions and interferences and backroom deals to enrich guys at the top, never mind ISIS in some spots.

    It takes forever for people in some countries to get over thinking it's sustainable to refuse to share wealth and power. And that's my long take... on Africa and on us too.
     

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