National Security Council reorg: Bannon to sit as a principal

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  1. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Bannon will sit as regular principal at NSC meetings. Trump says the director of national intel and the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will henceforth sit as principals only when the agenda involves their “reponsibilities and expertise” instead of being regular attendees.


    In a separate presidential memo, Trump reorganized the National Security Council to, along with other changes, give Bannon a regular seat on the principals committee — the meetings of the most senior national security officials, including the secretaries of defense and state.

    That memo also states that the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will sit on the principals committee only when the issues to be discussed pertain to their “responsibilities and expertise.” In the previous two administrations, both were included as regular attendees.

    The White House thinks the changes will make the NSC more adaptive to modern threats. Trump said the changes would bring “a lot of efficiency and, I think, a lot of additional safety.”

    The changes affirm the ascent of Bannon, the former executive chairman of Breitbart, a conservative website that is popular with white nationalists, who has emerged as Trump’s political consigliere and the keeper of the president’s populist flame.
    I am not a fan of leaving out the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from regular meetings with Trump deciding when they should be present. What does "national security" mean these days anyway? How exactly does leaving those guys out of the direct loop of regular meetings add safety?
     
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    This sounds suspiciously to me like impenetrable ideologues will be deciding national security policy and the people with real world experience will only be called in when it's time to carry it out.

    I mean, what could go wrong with that?
     
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    I'd heard the rumors that Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed. I had no idea that he actually planned to use them to formulate policy, though. With the Muslim ban and putting a guy like Bannon in a position like this, though, it does seem like National Socialism is now making an appearance in our country. :(
     
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    Action and fascism go hand in hand.

    -- Eco (of course)
     
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    So now, add the military to the groups of people Trump has dissed. Oh wait, I forgot about "I like people who weren't captured."

    Does anybody besides me wonder if there'll come a time when Trump goes full dictator on us, and the military will have to decide whether to push back?
     
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    You don't know what fascism is. Should probably stop throwing the term around so loosely. It's becoming a bad habit of the left.
     
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    We haven't quite reached that stage yet. Hitler first took control over the police, the church, and various civilian organizations before he ever touched the military; he was aware that a public uprising was much more dangerous to him than a military one would be. He only started his (comparatively subtle) military purge after he had full control over civilian life...
     
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    Well it does sound like Bannon and Trump have decided that info (or questions) from intel and joint chiefs might often prove inconvenient or even deserving of a "fake news" peg. Solution: disappear those potential voices of dissent or providers of facts on the ground until suddenly.... "here's what we're going to do so make it happen".

    You know what? We ordinary mortals are not more secure by refusing to read newspapers because we might bump into information that does not please us. We as a country are not more secure by the president and his consigliere declining to keep intel and military out of * the regular loop of meetings on national security. Those guys need to listen in real time, and to speak up when they hear something that could use more discussion.

    We went down a fairly autocratic road with Rumsfeld and Cheney in 2003 even when Bush had intel and the military in the NSC loop. Subtracting those two crucial inputs in regular NSC meetings seems extremely unwise for the current administration, which has very little experience in government to begin with, has not fleshed out its appointments in critical agencies related to foreign affairs, and is headed up by an impulsive narcissist short on historical background info and long on input from guys like Bannon and Mike Flynn.

    When I think about it, the only purpose this reorg serves is to make it possible for Trump to say with a straight face that he and Bannon know more than our intel agencies or "the generals". Not more about facts on the ground, of course. Just more about what Donald Trump plans to do next, with less "interference" up front.

    EDIT: * I had "in the loop" whereas of course meant "out of the loop"... more coffee is needed...
     
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    I used to love your ramblings. Now they just give me a headache. I find it comical that you find all these traits in people on the right while you ignored the blatant disregard for rule of law from those on the left.
     
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    I find it comical you didn't notice the typo I fixed in my post as you were posting your reply....
     
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    Well, it hasn't even been two weeks. Give him time....
     
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    Meh. No spell check police here. Apple autocorrect does a fine job of hosing all of us from time to time. Maybe Tim should focus on that.
     
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    You people truly make me laugh. The hysteria is unbelieveable.
     
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    It truly is. Hopefully the organizers run out of money soon. I've never seen such a temper tantrum and it's already old.
     
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    Sure, it's hysteria. Until it's your family that finds itself on the wrong side of the Dear Leader. Then, it becomes something else.

    When the guy at the top of the country makes a snap decision and starts destroying the lives of entire classes of people, what would you call it?
     
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    As an American Jew I sure as **** know what fascism is. What would you know about it?
     
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    It's clear you don't.

    --- Post Merged, Jan 29, 2017 ---
    Yes, we're rounding everyone up for the firing squad.
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    Speaking of hysteria.... see above.
     
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    Arent these the same people who laughed when we told them Bush would be a disaster?

    Too bad we had to go through 9/11, the Iraq war, the destruction of New Orleans and the Great Recession to be proven right.

    And now here we are again.

    Calling Santayana...
     
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    A snap decision? This was a campaign promise that was made clear months before the election.
     
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    The promise was made. The actual text of the order was not given any review at all. Which is why (a) people were caught unawares at airports, (b) there's outrage in the streets and in international circles, and (c) multiple judges are slapping it down as we speak. None of these events would have occurred if the actual text of the order had been vetted in advance, and the public had been prepared for its effects.
     
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    If the jews didn't like hitler, they shouldn't have voted for him.
     

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