Nearly $1 billion in side deals by Gov. Brown

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and Democratic leaders cemented the legislative vote to raise the gas tax
In one of the biggest legislative victories of his storied political career, Gov. Jerry Brown pushed through an ambitious plan last week that will increase gas taxes and vehicle fees to raise $52 billion over the next decade for the repair of California’s system of crumbling roads, highways and bridges.

But the win didn’t come cheaply — Brown and legislative dealers promised nearly $1 billion for the pet projects of lawmakers who had been sitting on the fence before they were persuaded to vote for the bill.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-gas-tax-side-deals-20170409-story.html

bribes to pass a tax w/o input from the people. these morons should be in jail
 
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Ohio? We have one trying to do raise registration but supposedly residents would get a card/token to swipe to take off the gas tax.
Nope. Next door. No-one will be exempt from their plans. Owners of electrics and hybrids will have to pay more for their registrations than gas vehicles, since they don't pay much, if any taxes on gas. If they'd actually use the gas tax for roads they would likely not have to raise taxes, but that would be too much like logic for them.
 
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general fund, it's going to whatever they want and they can say they need more when that is gone.
Without doing any research, I feel this is like the 100th time CA has raised our taxes to pay for roads.


Then I see them repaving the same roads over and over, ignoring the same road for years, or taking 6 months to repave 2 blocks.
 

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Without doing any research, I feel this is like the 100th time CA has raised our taxes to pay for roads.


Then I see them repaving the same roads over and over, ignoring the same road for years, or taking 6 months to repave 2 blocks.
our taxes pay for roads and we still have toll roads :mad::mad:
 

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our taxes pay for roads and we still have toll roads :mad::mad:
I'd rather have toll roads than gas taxes. As long as all the tolls went to maintenance and improvements of the roads. Years ago in Kentucky they had the Bluegrass parkway, from Lexington to Elizabethtown set up as a toll road and it was a pleasure to drive. Well maintained and scenic and not overly expensive. They removed the tolls some years ago and now the road relies on the regular state funding process for repairs. It's a crap road now and a pothole fest. User fees don't irk me hald as much as a tax, and a toll is (or should be) a user fee.
 

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None where I live. The only toll road I've ever encountered in California was Pebble Beach's 17 Mile Drive.

Just one more reason that NoCal rocks.
You guys get snow. No thanks I'm happy with the hotter weather and just a sweater when it's "winter". Toll roads for me only apply when heading in/out of L.A
 
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I want our roads fixed. But I don't trust tax money to be used for that purpose. Really I am worried about this money being used for the train boondoggle. I wonder if any politicians stop and think that you just can't keep raising taxes indefinitely?
 

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You guys get snow. No thanks I'm happy with the hotter weather and just a sweater when it's "winter". Toll roads for me only apply when heading in/out of L.A
How much are they? I haven't been out of LA yet and wanted to head down to Orange County tomorrow. Is there a California alternative to the east coast ez-pass system or do you have to pay the old fashioned way?
 

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How much are they? I haven't been out of LA yet and wanted to head down to Orange County tomorrow. Is there a California alternative to the east coast ez-pass system or do you have to pay the old fashioned way?
In OC, they got rid of the old fashioned toll booths several years ago. Now you just drive right through, they read your license plate and you log onto their website and pay within five days. If you don't, you'll be getting a ticket.

As for how much, some of the toll lanes have variable pricing. I've seen it six bucks before. Other roads have fixed pricing, but because you can pass through multiple checkpoints along the way charging you each time, it can add up!
 

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You guys always make living in southern California sound so appealing :confused:o_O
It is appealing. It cost a lot to live here, but the weather, beaches and mountains are fantastic! But don't let me tempt anyone, we already have enough people here and don't need anymore. So with that in mind let me recalibrate a little bit....it's a hell hole! Stay out! Don't come here! You'll hate it! :D
 

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It is appealing. It cost a lot to live here, but the weather, beaches and mountains are fantastic! But don't let me tempt anyone, we already have enough people here and don't need anymore. So with that in mind let me recalibrate a little bit....it's a hell hole! Stay out! Don't come here! You'll hate it! :D
It's been more than a couple years since I've been out that way but the only place I liked in SoCal was San Diego. I'm sure it's great out there but it's not great for me too many humans in too few square miles.