Neither George Bush nor Trump won the popular vote.

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    Neither George Bush (in vote for Presidency) nor Trump won the popular vote.

    They are rightly President by the rules of the great experiment, but just want to point it out.
     
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    That was reelection, but yes. corrected post.
     
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    Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious. Did you really think people don't know this?
     
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    Clearly shows how much democrats are struggling to appeal to voters outside of metropolitan areas since those areas more or less determine the popular vote.
     
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    All the voters determine the popular vote.

    The presidency is decided by Ohio and Florida and a few others.
     
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    And yet democrats would have been able to win without both Florida and Ohio if they hadn’t lost some of that blue wall in Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Also 20% of the country lives in the 100 largest cities in the country and they tend to be liberal.
     
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    modern presidential votes are determined by small percentage.
    democrat or republican, just a label
     
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    And 20% of the country lives in rural areas and they tend to be conservative. Plus they are split across all fifty states. Plus getting to the polls is harder in rural areas as the distances are longer.
     
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    This was one of the biggest arguments after the Trump election. Many people demanded replacing the electoral college with the popular vote.

    While the electoral college is not a perfect system, it's what we've used for hundreds of years. It's been able to keep a fairly equal representation of D and R in the presidency. I'm not sure it's entirely fair to allow election results to be dictated by a couple, large metropolitan centers.

    I don't know if there is an alternative, middle of the road solution. Personally, I think our Primary voting system is incredibly flawed and would love to see that system changed.
     
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    Within Florida people don’t just campaign in Orlando and Miami. They campaign across the state. Why it’d be different with the national popular vote is beyond me.
     
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    In 1992 Bill Clinton only got 43% of the popular vote.

    [​IMG]

    Yet Time magazine put this on their cover after the election:

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    Just underscores that conservatives are out of touch with the majority of America and have been for decades, yet they manage to hold on to power thanks to inequality in our elections.
     
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    Yup.

    Obama won the popular vote TWICE.

    Just throwing that out there.

    ;)
     
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    Isn't it funny how minorities only count to republicans when it wins them an election.
     
  16. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    See Maine and Nebraska. Winner of state get the 2 "Senate" EC votes. Winner of each CD gets that "CD's" vote.

    Would tamp down CA & NY, but open up FL and TX.
     
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    I would love to see that happen nationwide. The only states that would be winner take all are the ones with only 1 Representative.
     
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    Electoral College was never the best way of determining our presidents. Any educated person can tell you that. It makes no sense that some people waste valuable time in their lives placing a vote without realizing that their state has and always will represent the opposite leaving their say completely useless.
    Electoral College members are chosen based on party loyalty and almost always vote in accordance with party wishes, not the will of the people.
    This country is not a democracy. Never was and never will be. Though the Popular vote will always show what the Country really wants, Electoral College is always capable of cheating the majority when necessary. Unless you’re capable of evenly spread everyone out across the country, just back to watching cat videos
     
  19. LordVic macrumors 603

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    Interesting. So what you're saying is that two of the most divisive President's of our time both, didn't win by having the majority of support of the voters.

    Interesting point you make about how the electoral system works
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    yes, But also shows that there's a breakdown in the electoral system where, depending on where you live, your vote has more influence than someone else's. Should not 1 vote equal 1 vote, regardless of where they live?
     
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    not during the primaries, which made him the candidate that won.

    just throwing that one out there

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    The fact that majorities don’t dictate how things go is the best protection for all minorities. Even gridlock (which doesn’t require a majority) is one of the best way to ensure some form of protection when things get ugly. Sometimes it feels messy, but I am glad about it.
     
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    George Bush won a second term in office by winning both the popular and electoral votes.
     
  22. Zwopple macrumors regular

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    I call BS, it is not harder to get to the polls for the majority of rural voters. With voter suppression cranking up and GOP controlled legislators shutting down polling places / restricting voting hours / early voting it's harder than ever to vote in a big city because:

    1. You have to take time off work, which your employer does not have to pay you for, which if you live pay check to pay check means you have to starve or starve your children.
    2. The wait times at the polls can be hours or more
    3. Polls shutting at 6PM means most people can't get through metro traffic and vote after work
     
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    He still got 5.8 million more than George throwup Bush did.

    Thats (another) fundamental flaw of a winner takes it all presidential democracy, you always end up with a huge part of the population not represented by government.
     
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    As we are seeing, more and more, the POTUS has very little power.

    People are still represented in the other two branches of the Federal Government, even when they don't vote for the winners of the executive branch.

    Anyway, we don't live in a land called Federal Government, we live in states, and each one of these states has a republican from of government. They all have constitutions, and are ruled by the consent of the governed.

    Even within these states, there are all sorts of local governments, that can and do pass all sorts of laws and ordinances that help people live by the consent of the governed.
     

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