Nerd hath no fury like a woman Thor

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To paraphrase the saying.

As a recovering comic book collector (I was into them as a kid in the 80s), I actually look forward to what Marvel is going to do with this.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/15/331728029/odins-beard-marvel-announces-a-new-thor-and-shes-a-woman

Odin's Beard! Marvel Announces A New Thor — And She's A Woman
by Krishnadev Calamur
July 15, 2014 2:02 PM ET

The Mighty Thor, the Son of Odin, the God of Thunder, the comic book god with the hammer is a woman.

Not quite — but here's the tweet announcing the new Thor:
@Marvel: Meet #Marvel comics' new #Thor - she's not what you'd expect! Learn more & see exclusive art: http://bit.ly/1ymF6LN
"No longer is the classic Thunder God able to hold the mighty hammer, Mjölnir, and a brand new female hero will emerge worthy of the name THOR," Marvel said in a statement.

The new Thor will be written by Jason Aaron with art by Russell Dauterman.

"This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is THOR. This is the THOR of the Marvel Universe," Aaron said. "But it's unlike any Thor we've ever seen before."

The inscription on Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, reads: "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

"It's time to update that inscription," Marvel editor Wil Moss said in the statement.

Reaction on Twitter, as you might imagine, was strong and mixed. It ranged from:

I am totally looking forward to checking out this new Thor!
to:
I dont understand why Marvel have turned Thor into a female. This is stupid
The comic is out in October.
Now.. re-imagine that fight scene between Thor and Iron Man in the Avengers, after Tony Stark has been on a bender. :p

Better yet: Thor fighting She-Hulk.. ;)

I think I'll stop there.

BL.

EDIT: Image added.

 

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Ah pointless placating political correctness. Why not just make a new character with it's own comic book? Rather than getting rid of an old one in such an obvious manner. It's not bold or shocking in today's world. Just a hum drum change. Reeking of self aggrandizement.

The only comics I've ever read are Superman and X-Men. All the others always seemed lesser somehow. Although I haven't picked one up since I was 10.
 
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Ah pointless placating political correctness. Why not just make a new character with it's own comic book? Rather than getting rid of an old one in such an obvious manner. It's not bold or shocking in today's world. Just a hum drum change. Reeking of self aggrandizement.

The only comics I've ever read are Superman and X-Men. All the others always seemed lesser somehow. Although I haven't picked one up since I was 10.
Who said they were getting rid of the character? They didn't get rid of Loki when they changed him.

Nor Captain Marvel.
Nor Nova (in both Herald and Human Torch versions).

If it were about being politically correct, it wouldn't have taken 40+ years to have the first female superhero. They didn't appear the 1960s, and when was Action Comics #1 issued?

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Who said they were getting rid of the character? They didn't get rid of Loki when they changed him.

Nor Captain Marvel.
Nor Nova (in both Herald and Human Torch versions).

If it were about being politically correct, it wouldn't have taken 40+ years to have the first female superhero. They didn't appear the 1960s, and when was Action Comics #1 issued?

BL.
Well, actually, the original Captain Marvel died of cancer, it was a pretty moving story. The mantle of Captain Marvel was then held by 2 of his 3 kids (Genus Vell and Phyla Vell), Monica Rambeau and now currently former Ms Marvel, Carol Danvers.

Action Comics #1 came out in 1938.


Ah pointless placating political correctness. Why not just make a new character with it's own comic book? Rather than getting rid of an old one in such an obvious manner. It's not bold or shocking in today's world. Just a hum drum change. Reeking of self aggrandizement.

The only comics I've ever read are Superman and X-Men. All the others always seemed lesser somehow. Although I haven't picked one up since I was 10.
Thor still exists and will be her guide. "Torunn" has just proven worthy of wielding Mjølnir.

It's more of introducing a legacy akin to Wally West to Barry Allen.

I am also baffled that you'd be offended by this, yet be an X-Men reader, since X-Men is all about diversity, inclusion and acceptance.

I love that neck beards are getting bent over this, but have no problem with Steve Rogers being replaced as Captain America (again). "Political Correctness" the ballyhoo of those afraid that there might be something other than straight white males in the comics/games.


Fun little reminder, Thor himself has been a Frog.
 

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Well, actually, the original Captain Marvel died of cancer, it was a pretty moving story. The mantle of Captain Marvel was then held by 2 of his 3 kids (Genus Vell and Phyla Vell), Monica Rambeau and now currently former Ms Marvel, Carol Danvers.

Action Comics #1 came out in 1938.




Thor still exists and will be her guide. "Torunn" has just proven worthy of wielding Mjølnir.

It's more of introducing a legacy akin to Wally West to Barry Allen.

I am also baffled that you'd be offended by this, yet be an X-Men reader, since X-Men is all about diversity, inclusion and acceptance.

I love that neck beards are getting bent over this, but have no problem with Steve Rogers being replaced as Captain America (again). "Political Correctness" the ballyhoo of those afraid that there might be something other than straight white males in the comics/games.


Fun little reminder, Thor himself has been a Frog.
Agreed. Beta Ray Bill easily comes to mind.

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The one thing I worry about with making the character female is that she'll end up being drawn in awkward, fanservicey poses.
 

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The one thing I worry about with making the character female is that she'll end up being drawn in awkward, fanservicey poses.
Yeah, that's something I worry about all the time. The artist for now tends to have a respect for women, so I can hope.

I think that's why I'm loving Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel, strong heroines treated with a fair bit of respect.
 

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The author is Jason Aaron. The extent of his creative genius was to retell the Terminator movies using Sentinels as Terminators. He is a joke and I would expect something so idiotic from him.
 

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Can someone explain how she can be "Thor"? Thor is a characters name, not an object, so I don't get how they brand her Thor as if they were the same thing, but with a different sex.
 

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Can someone explain how she can be "Thor"? Thor is a characters name, not an object, so I don't get how they brand her Thor as if they were the same thing, but with a different sex.
It would hardly be the first time that a new character takes up the mantle of an existing superhero, title et al.
 

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It would hardly be the first time that a new character takes up the mantle of an existing superhero, title et al.
I know, but I still understand this quote as meaning that she *is* Thor:

"This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is THOR. This is the THOR of the Marvel Universe," Aaron said. "But it's unlike any Thor we've ever seen before."
If I understand it correctly, she is simply "Thorita".
 

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Thor still exists and will be her guide. "Torunn" has just proven worthy of wielding Mjølnir.

It's more of introducing a legacy akin to Wally West to Barry Allen.

I am also baffled that you'd be offended by this, yet be an X-Men reader, since X-Men is all about diversity, inclusion and acceptance.

I love that neck beards are getting bent over this, but have no problem with Steve Rogers being replaced as Captain America (again). "Political Correctness" the ballyhoo of those afraid that there might be something other than straight white males in the comics/games.


Fun little reminder, Thor himself has been a Frog.
Ah, I thought they were simply making Thor a woman for the purposes of political correctness. Not adding someone else just simply saying Thor is now a woman. Since it tries to emphasize that it isn't a she-Thor but simply Thor. But why wouldn't she be called Torun if that is the characters name and Thor keep his name? Or is Thor a title like General or Doctor?
 

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The author is Jason Aaron. The extent of his creative genius was to retell the Terminator movies using Sentinels as Terminators. He is a joke and I would expect something so idiotic from him.
I know him from Scalped, which is one of my favorite comic books series. I have never been a big Marvel or DC guy so I don't know his other works. But looking over his wiki page, he has done quite a bit.
 

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So Thor is getting a sex change hmmmmm.

I agree this political correctness is pathetic. It is really sad when lackluster writers/artists have to resort to taking a known character and re-working it rather than creating a new character that stands up to the test of time.

I wonder if next they'll give Wonder Woman a ....

We live in such an age of mediocrity.
 

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I know, but I still understand this quote as meaning that she *is* Thor:



If I understand it correctly, she is simply "Thorita".
No, she is Thor. The way she became Thor is because the "powers of Thor" are in the hammer and she was found worthy. It's turning Thor from a name of a person to something similar to "Doctor Fate". She is Thor.

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So Thor is getting a sex change hmmmmm.

I agree this political correctness is pathetic. It is really sad when lackluster writers/artists have to resort to taking a known character and re-working it rather than creating a new character that stands up to the test of time.

I wonder if next they'll give Wonder Woman a ....

We live in such an age of mediocrity.
I doubt this has much to do with being PC, any more than him being a frog has to do with them being PC. Seriously, it's just a story idea. Hell, they had Loki being a woman for a long time and I don't remember this much backlash.
 

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No, she is Thor. The way she became Thor is because the "powers of Thor" are in the hammer and she was found worthy. It's turning Thor from a name of a person to something similar to "Doctor Fate". She is Thor.

Thanks, that made it clear to me.

Still weird. But as a scandinavian I guess my views on Thor are a bit different than those of Marvel, hence why I didn't get it. :p
 

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Ah, I thought they were simply making Thor a woman for the purposes of political correctness. Not adding someone else just simply saying Thor is now a woman. Since it tries to emphasize that it isn't a she-Thor but simply Thor. But why wouldn't she be called Torun if that is the characters name and Thor keep his name? Or is Thor a title like General or Doctor?
Technically they can't call her Torunn, because there's already two in the comics (there's one in 616, and Thor/Sif's daughter in the future).

I'm curious who she is at this point. They say she's someone Thor saved in the past. I was hoping Jane Foster was going to get to wield Mjølnir again.

I think they're stressing her as "Thor" so it's not like She-Hulk, or Supergirl, where she's essentially an ancillary character, she is the title character. Kinda like when Carol Danvers took the Captain Marvel title, or Renee Montoya became The Question.
 

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Technically they can't call her Torunn, because there's already two in the comics (there's one in 616, and Thor/Sif's daughter in the future).

I'm curious who she is at this point. They say she's someone Thor saved in the past. I was hoping Jane Foster was going to get to wield Mjølnir again.

I think they're stressing her as "Thor" so it's not like She-Hulk, or Supergirl, where she's essentially an ancillary character, she is the title character. Kinda like when Carol Danvers took the Captain Marvel title, or Renee Montoya became The Question.
This is what I was thinking, or like Frankie Raye, upon becoming a Herald of Galactus, had the Nova title after the first Nova died, and the second Nova gave his powers back.

both Danvers and Raye had their titles for a long while (at least from the 80s), and made it their own. This is only different as it carries the history of Thor with it.

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Better yet: Thor fighting She-Hulk.. ;)
Honestly wasn't excited about this until I read that. That would be epic! Still not sure I like the idea of changing the entire character. I've got no problem with woman heroes.. just don't see changing a male hero ( Thor at that! ) to a ladie. We'll see though!
 

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Honestly wasn't excited about this until I read that. That would be epic! Still not sure I like the idea of changing the entire character. I've got no problem with woman heroes.. just don't see changing a male hero ( Thor at that! ) to a ladie. We'll see though!
And this coming from someone named 'Stark'. :D ;)

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I was thinking about this while debating on hitting Comic-Con to say thank you to LeVar Burton for his work on the Reading Rainbow kickstarter project (I contributed; wasn't going to pass that up! sorry.. digressed)..

Say they continue down that route and make a new Thor movie. With this revelation and accents aside, who do you think should play Thor? I don't know if you really want a Brunhilda-type, but you also don't want someone very petite either..

Someone like Jeri Ryan, perhaps?

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I was thinking about this while debating on hitting Comic-Con to say thank you to LeVar Burton for his work on the Reading Rainbow kickstarter project (I contributed; wasn't going to pass that up! sorry.. digressed)..

Say they continue down that route and make a new Thor movie. With this revelation and accents aside, who do you think should play Thor? I don't know if you really want a Brunhilda-type, but you also don't want someone very petite either..

Someone like Jeri Ryan, perhaps?

BL.
Heh.. Funny that I brought that up, as it was a huge question going around Comic-Con last week. But straight from the creators mouth, we have this:

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/27/332615488/lessons-from-behind-the-comic-book-counter

Lessons From Behind The Counter At A Comic Book Store
by Lidia Jean Kott
July 27, 2014 7:03 AM ET

When the news broke that Thor, the hyper-masculine thunder god, had become a woman, my Twitter feed exploded. It seemed like everybody had something to say. "Who will play the female Thor in the movies?" came up a lot. Meanwhile, I first had to figure out who Thor was. To me, stories about superheroes were for nerdy white guys imagining a world where they could lift heavy things and somehow get the girl. In short, boring. I was hopelessly behind the times.

But like any good journalist, I wasn't about to let total ignorance keep me from chasing down a good story. I saw in Marvel's press release that Jason Aaron was writing the new Thor — so I decided to give him a call. He's in his 40s, from Alabama and has the slightest hint of a southern drawl. Gruff and to the point, he's the strong-but-silent type.

But when I ask him if he is a feminist, he says, "I'm not one of those people that think feminist is a bad word. I don't see why everyone shouldn't be a feminist."

Aaron has been writing Thor for Marvel since 2012, but the thunder god's been around since the '60s. For the uninitiated: Thor wields a hammer that reads: "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." Aaron says that he's always planned for something to happen to make Thor unworthy, and for someone else to pick up that hammer. Why not a woman?

"It's not like we sat around and threw a dart on the wall to change the gender of a character," said Aaron. "This was my idea. This wasn't Marvel coming to me. This isn't me throwing away what I've been doing."

If Aaron seems defensive, it's for a reason. The tone on Twitter is a bit cautious. And there's already been a backlash against the female Thor. Graeme Mcmillan from Wired wrote that if Marvel really wants to give voice to women they should create more stand-alone female characters, rather than just having them temporarily fill male roles. In the San Francisco Weekly, Benjamin Wachs parodied the Marvel press announcement, announcing that Wolverine will be a "transgender Samoian Atheist."

But despite what Mcmillan says about the new Thor being temporary, Aaron insists she's here to stay. He says he's worked with other writers and planned out story lines with the female Thor that go well into next year. "I'd love to do a Thor, Spiderwoman series," adds Aaron. Turns out Thor comics are about lifting heavy things — but they might also be about female friendship.

I clearly needed to find out what the experts thought. When I first entered Fantom Comics, here in Washington, D.C., I felt shy and out of place. I was expecting to be called out for the fraud I was. I didn't even know what a serial comic book looks like. But, 27-year-old Esther Kim, the manager, can't wait to tell me all about the female Thor.

"When you make [female characters] part of the canon, that's exciting. The comic industry is realizing that women are a great and valid audience," she says, and offered me a part of a pecan cookie. Even if the new Thor series doesn't end up being about female friendship, it might have encouraged at least one.

The importance of female readership — particularly its economic importance — is something Esther has experienced as a store manager. Fantom has a list of weekly subscribers and a quarter of them are women. And it's the comics with female characters that are making money. According to their most recent data, Fantom's bestselling superhero comic is Ms. Marvel, starring a teenage Pakistani-American from New Jersey, the first Muslim character to get her own series. The best-selling title overall is Saga, another series in which many of the main characters are female. And both Ms. Marvel and Saga have female creators — G. Willow Wilson writes Kamala Khan's adventures as Ms. Marvel, and Fiona Stapes is behind Saga's gorgeous art.

Esther and Zephi Friel, a 25-year-old employee at Fantom, both insist that it's not just women who buy titles like Ms. Marvel and Saga. "If it's a great story, everybody reads it," they tell me.

After spending my lunch break standing behind the counter with Zephi and Esther, I no longer felt shy. Instead, I felt strangely at home. Fiction has always been as real, sometime even more real, to me than real life. I modeled my childhood self off Anne of Greene Gables, as a teenager I called everything depressing because that's what Holden Caulfield did, and in college Audre Lorde showed me how to be a grownup. At Fantom Comics, listening to Esther wonder aloud about how Thor's enemies will react when they find out she is a woman, I felt like I had found my people — women for whom fiction offers stories to live through.

I'm not the only one who's come into Fantom with an outdated view of comic books. Zephi says that she's heard mothers say to their daughters,"No, no honey, that's for your brother" when they've asked to buy comics. "And we have to come up with a diplomatic way to say, 'No, comics are for everyone,'" says Esther.

I left Fantom with a stack of titles — Thor, Ms. Marvel, The Wicked + The Divine — my first comic books ever. All of them have (or will soon have) female leads. While they are all about superheroes who have super strength, they're all also about fighting with your family, sometimes feeling alone and inadequate, and trying to figure things out — in short, they're the opposite of boring. I read them all in a week.
I knew about Carol Danvers being Ms. Marvel, but forgot about Kamala Khan. But now this puts Thor more into perspective, and sounds like it might be good.

BL.