New TV vs New Amazon Fire TV

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Daniva, Sep 18, 2015.

  1. Daniva macrumors member

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    New TV with Siri Remote, capacity 32/64GB, ports HDMI - USB-C - 10/100 Ethernet, A8 processor, HD 1080p, price $149 32GB or $199 64GB

    New Amazon Fire TV with Alexa Voice Remote, capacity 8GB expandable up to 128GB, ports HDMI - 10/100 Ethernet - microSD slot - USB, MediaTek Quad-core processor, 4K UHD 2160p, price $99.99 or $139.99 Gaming Edition
     
  2. kjm18 macrumors 6502

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    Gonna get both, as will sell current Apple TV and Fire TV
     
  3. jmantn macrumors 6502

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    Going on a ledge here but I give them credit on the gaming edition...Apple should have taken a profit hit and included a controller with each version therefore controller support would be a higher priority across the board.

    Having said that I believe Apple's user experience and software will make it the winner however to people standing in a store never not knowing how well Apple's stuff tends to work I see Amazon winning those people over because "Hey it's got a controller and hey it can do 4K and has upgradeable memory".

    No 4K is going to sting and affect sales I think simply because of Vizio and other TV price wars this holiday. I've got a 70 inch 4K for under 2k and this holiday it won't be unheard of to find 4K at 45 inches for under a grand.

    At the least the Apple TV could have been 4K "ready" for when netfilx app is updated for Apple TV as they have 4K and that would help until iTunes offers 4K but looks like we're going to have to wait until iTunes is 4K ready unless they've sneaked some kind of 4K streaming ability into the tv they haven't announced yet.
     
  4. bluespark macrumors 65816

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    I agree that the gaming edition Fire TV is a great idea. I was sure my next device would be the Apple TV, but the Fire TV is awfully tempting.
     
  5. phrehdd macrumors 68040

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    I am glad that Fire TV is making leaps and bounds forward as it forces Apple to stop leading from behind in this market. Let's also add the NVidia Shield TV which is the mirror of ATV with respect to access to the Android world and lots of games. The NVidia costs a touch more but offers a hell of a lot more options. I still think the ATV is a marvelous "front end" for the iTunes buy/rentals.

    My hope is that everyone benefits from the choices of better "set top boxes" like the new ATV, Fire TV, NVidia Shield TV and more. Monopolies suck - especially if they are Apple or Microsoft.
     
  6. jmantn macrumors 6502

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    Competition sucks. Companies spend more time copying features or defending ones as well as edging ahead of competitors instead of spending more time innovating.

    Case and point video calling was around back around the 1970's all thanks to the monopolistic MaBell. They had hundreds of IP's and tech that could've been brought to the market sooner if the government had at broken them up.

    Another example is cable providers and "franchises" which were meant to prevent monopolies and have severely hurt the state of broadband in the US while places like Singapore has 1Gbps internet. Really? The US invented the Internet and we are so far behind.

    Cell phone companies are yet another example. Prices are higher because of costs associated with competing. Costs such as marketing, trying new tech that may or may not be supported by others, etc.. If we had one or two mobile providers with gov oversight on pricing they could expand quicker advertise less and get back to innovating as well.

    Tech companies are also a huge pain as they are currently. Look at it like the console market. Apps like games have to be made for each platform. For an app to truly shine it needs to be native typically to make the most use out of each platform. Instead many developers use hybrid dev platforms that will spit out code for each platform as a one size fits most. This hurts the end user as it doesn't take full advantage of native API's. Look at gaming on consoles:sometimes a game will work flawlessly on PS4 but horribly on XBOX. Sometimes one platform gets an update weeks before the other. Sometimes a platform doesn't even get a game and etc...

    Oh and that's not even touching on incompatible technologies. Your console controller may or may not work with another platform. Your Bluetooth headset may or may not work with a console. Your phone may or may not work with this device or that service.

    Competition sucks. Everyone spends too much time looking over their back and defending or copying and less time innovating. Prices are higher than ever due to competition and marketing (and R&D) all to get back old customers or win new ones.

    Competition and old patent laws and greed is why I have to choose a console if I want hardcore gaming and hope every game I want comes to that console and received the support it deserves.

    Competition is why for over 20 years our phones didn't work well with our other devices or gadgets.

    Competition is why prices are higher than ever.

    I could have googled anti competition articles and posted as there are some truly in depth articles explaining the true cost of competition but for a forum post this may suffice.

    What competition has brought us is some new underlying tech however I'd even debate that per my video calling reference from the 70's companies were truly innovating when there was no other distractions. Prices were cheaper (if all of America was under one company they'd have funding for practically everything).

    Also I look at what some local governments have done by becoming their own ISP. In a list of places they offer 1Gps service for under $100 all because they took things into their own hands and put the majority of the MRC back into the network.

    Sorry for long winded article. Just google articles explaining why competition has hurt us, especially in tech. Also every time u hear about a patent infringement or troll law suit that's competition.

    And lastly I do pull for Apple. As someone who took computer science and did so with all Microsoft computers and tech I've actually come to look at Apple as being way more forward thinking and in a way more open then the first major dominant tech company and in hind sight Microsoft and even google wouldn't be what they are today without apple's innovations.
     
  7. throAU macrumors 601

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    Spec sheet isn't the full story, airplay and iTunes sync is a huge plus for me and the Amazon box doesn't do it. I often flick between playing content on my phone, tv, etc.
     
  8. HaZuKi88 macrumors newbie

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    I'd been waiting for the new ATV for a while and I'm pretty underwhelmed by the update to be honest. Not too put off by the lack of 4K support (this could become a problem in 18-24 months though), but both the higher price (making an assumption here but I'm expecting at least £139 for the 32GB model) and the lack of a BBC iPlayer app in the UK make it really hard to choose the ATV over the new Fire TV.
     
  9. phrehdd, Sep 19, 2015
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    Apple's innovations? Apple has very few innovations but rather, improved upon a theme to a point where it was extremely user friendly. Perhaps the "user friendly" is what you refer to as innovative?

    PDA with cell phone technology existed before iPhone.
    Tablet like devices existed before iPad.
    We know Walkmans or portable media players existed before iPod
    The list goes on. I'll just say Apple did its version of these types of things and did it extremely well.
     
  10. bluespark macrumors 65816

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    What makes you think there won't be a BBC iPlayer app?
     
  11. TrueBlou macrumors demi-god

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    Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Regardless of any current stance the BBC may have, it'll change.
    The simplicity of porting their existing code coupled with the likely user demand will probably assure an iPlayer app somewhere down the line.
     
  12. HaZuKi88 macrumors newbie

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    The demand has been there for years but for whatever reason it's still not on the cards. Rather poor from a predominantly taxpayer funded public service broadcaster, for whom widespread provision of their services should be an absolute priority!
     
  13. MacUser09 macrumors regular

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    Am I correct in thinking you can access your iTunes content in other countries with your ATV? But if you take your Fire TV abroad, you cannot access your purchase and rentals, even if it is set to "Original Country" which in my case is UK.
    I know when I take my ATV to Asia, I have no problems watching my UK purchased content. I just find the following statement from Amazon, (marked in bold) a little confusing.


    You can take your Amazon Fire TV device with you if you are moving or travelling to certain countries outside of the UK. Your Amazon Fire TV device will work in the following countries:

    • United States
    • United Kingdom (UK)
    • Germany
    • Austria (Fire TV Stick only)
    In order to use your device outside of the UK, you need to change the Country Settings for your Amazon account.


    Important:
    • When you change the country for your Amazon account, you will no longer be able to access any of your purchased or rented videos from Amazon Instant Video. Your purchased videos will still be available in the original country if you change back to that country, but any rented videos will be unavailable.
    If not, then that is another plus for ATV.
     
  14. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    That sucks for Amazon users.
     
  15. macpro2000 macrumors 6502a

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    if ATV was 4k, no brainer since I want to view 4k on my $15k Sony projector...since it's not, I ordered the Fire.
     
  16. TrueBlou macrumors demi-god

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    I agree with the sentiment that as we pay for the BBC to even exist, we should be allowed access to its content anywhere there is demand for it, ideally anyway.

    But as far as the ATV goes I've never expected them to have iPlayer or any kind of alternative on the closed system that existed until now. But with the addition of an AppStore on the new ATV I think it's something that will happen sooner rather than later.
     
  17. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    I am still waiting for a BBC USA app
     
  18. TrueBlou macrumors demi-god

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    Y'know it's silly but I often forget that the BBC has channels in other countries as well.
    Is there not any kind of iPlayer style, on demand service for the BBC in the USA?
     
  19. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Nope. Their website doesn't even allow you to watch shows with authentication like others here do.
    Sux.
     
  20. MacUser09 macrumors regular

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    It's precisely because it is funded by the UK TV licence fee (not the UK taxpayer), that it is not permitted to view BBC content outside the UK. Something to do with the licensing laws. The BBC is aware of the demand, and there was talk of providing a paid for iPlayer service, or providing a way for people to access iPlayer when they go abroad, but I don't know if that has progressed.

    For now, I just get by using a VPN or Unblock.us and Airplay to my ATV.
     
  21. TrueBlou macrumors demi-god

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    I would have thought that with BBC America collaborating with auntie and independently making material that there would at least be access to that over the pond.
    I'd be happy that someone was getting use out of a licence fee I'm forced to pay every year for channels I very rarely watch :D
     
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    I'm not sure if the lack of iPlayer on the ATV is the BBC's fault - more like Apple can't monetise the content so it the opportunity was never offered to them.
     
  23. Supermallet macrumors 65816

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    This argument only makes sense if the one or two companies allowed to exist in this hypothetical scenario care about their customers. If they don't, and their motive is profit, then what is their incentive to treat customers well?

    Oh, you don't like that our cars cost the equivalent of four years of your salary? Too bad! You can't buy one from anyone else. Oh, you don't like that they only get 6 miles to the gallon, and gas costs $12 a gallon? Too bad!

    You say the government could provide oversight for consumer protections. What is the first thing a megacorp is going to do? Buy the politicians. Put them right in their pockets. Done.

    The reason we have such abysmal services for internet and mobile phones in the US is because we don't have enough competition. We have these semi-monopolies that have no true competition. If you want broadband internet service in the US, chances are there's only one provider in your area. Zero competition. You might be able to find some smaller companies that offer much slower speeds. For cell phones, there are four carriers, two of which have major blank spots in their coverage maps. That effectively leads to two companies getting the bulk of the business. And surprise! Those two companies treat their customers terribly.

    On top of it, now everyone is working for the same small pool of companies. You think the way these companies treat their customers is bad? Try being one of their employees. The bigger the company is, the less it's going to care. Period.

    Competition is the only force that can really overturn this. If we had real competition, where dozens of companies were offering you cell service, you'd see real innovation. You'd see better pricing. You'd see all the things that you think you'd get by eliminating competition. The problem here is that we don't have enough competition.

    Remember, Apple started in a garage. In your scenario, that wouldn't even be allowed to exist.
     
  24. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Wrong. BBC actually said they made the decision not to.
     
  25. Kebabselector macrumors 68030

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    So if the BBC refused, where are the Channel 4/5 and ITV players then? Personally I've seen what you are referring to and to be honest it doesn't really come across as entirely true. Why not develop for Apple TV when they produced iplayer for a number of much smaller selling devices. Still we'll wait and see what they do with the new app store.
     

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