New ipad 2017 doesn't bring up any spark, and ipad may be like ipod becoming old tech soon

j2ee

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This is not my personal opinion, look at google trend data in last 90 days:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&q=ipad
With new ipad announcement, only the announcement day google search number has been little bit higher than normal daily number, even the second day is already back to normal range.

Let's look at google trend 5 years data:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ipad
Simple: keep dropping in pretty fast speed

Look at iphone trend in 5 years:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=iphone
very stable with big spark for every new iphone comes out.

Ipad vs Ipod for 2004 to now:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=ipad,ipod
See? Very similar trend, keep dropping until no one remembers. Just Ipod happened much earlier but the pattern is exactly the same.
 

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While I agree in the inevitability of the iPad losing steam, I feel it's a lot more likely to see a revival than the iPod - whether by way of a drastically improved model, or new, interest generating features.

I think while we may see the end of the iPod in the next couple years, the iPad will linger on for a substantial amount of time, even if diminished.
 

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This is not my personal opinion, look at google trend data in last 90 days:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&q=ipad
With new ipad announcement, only the announcement day google search number has been little bit higher than normal daily number, even the second day is already back to normal range.

Let's look at google trend 5 years data:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ipad
Simple: keep dropping in pretty fast speed

Look at iphone trend in 5 years:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=iphone
very stable with big spark for every new iphone comes out.

Ipad vs Ipod for 2004 to now:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=ipad,ipod
See? Very similar trend, keep dropping until no one remembers. Just Ipod happened much earlier but the pattern is exactly the same.
And my opinion Apple become too expensive for me its not the right thing to drop the price by producing cheep product, like this last iPad people with money will start to move for example to microsoft surface that at list high price but running full OS ,don't miss understand me I like the iPad but not for that price and that quality
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And my opinion Apple become too expensive for me its not the right thing to drop the price by producing cheep product, like this last iPad people with money will start to move for example to microsoft surface that at list high price but running full OS ,don't miss understand me I like the iPad but not for that price and that quality
I wish they kept the iPad air 2 with the $329 price
 
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Have a look:
https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/01/apple-sets-revenue-and-iphone-sales-records-in-q1-of-2017/
I did some simple math and ipad is around 10% business of Apple. The trend keeps dropping like this could have some serious impact for Apple. Apple still doesn't bring up any serious innovation after Steve died for years, I don't see how can Apple really continue to be very successful if all they can mainly do is bringing up new iphone color...make the phone size bigger....without any real innovation like when ipod, ipad, iphone came out.
 

rui no onna

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Have a look:
https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/01/apple-sets-revenue-and-iphone-sales-records-in-q1-of-2017/
I did some simple math and ipad is around 10% business of Apple. The trend keeps dropping like this could have some serious impact for Apple. Apple still doesn't bring up any serious innovation after Steve died for years, I don't see how can Apple really continue to be very successful if all they can mainly do is bringing up new iphone color...make the phone size bigger....without any real innovation like when ipod, ipad, iphone came out.
And we'll see in the next two quarters if the release of a $329 iPad will help boost iPad sales.
 

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And we'll see in the next two quarters if the release of a $329 iPad will help boost iPad sales.
Even the second day after this new ipad announcement is already back to normal search number of "ipad", what do you expect?
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Let's not forget the rumored new Pro lineup with a Edge to Edge 10.5 inch model. I think the iPads are going to do just fine.
We will see what will happen in Google trend, I would say the impact would be even smaller than this much cheaper 2017 ipad since only the few % of people would be willing to pay for it.
 

Relentless Power

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Let's not forget the rumored new Pro lineup with a Edge to Edge 10.5 inch model. I think the iPads are going to do just fine.
A rumored 10.5 iPad isn't applicable if it's not confirmed by Apple and it can't boost sales if it's not even a reality yet, but The new 9.7 is.

The point she was making, was with the release of the new 9.7 inch iPad, how it will affect overall net sales with iPad in a declining Tablet market, Being it's currently available. That was Apple's whole point of a target demographic, was to draw more people with an affordable price point and lock/introduce them
To the ecosystem.
 
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By the way I don't hate ipad or Apple, actually I am going to buy one of these ipad 2017 for my parents for them to watch TV show. I just want to discuss about the ipad/Apple economics.
 

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By the way I don't hate ipad or Apple, actually I am going to buy one of these ipad 2017 for my parents for them to watch TV show. I just want to discuss about the ipad/Apple economics.
I looked at the article from Arstecnica and was disheartened iPad sales slipped below Mac sales. Although they both are very small part of Apple's sales but even so they are both of utmost importance to Apple. I find it funny as PC market declines Mac sales continue to steadily rise or at least remain steady.
 

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I looked at the article from Arstecnica and was disheartened iPad sales slipped below Mac sales. Although they both are very small part of Apple's sales but even so they are both of utmost importance to Apple. I find it funny as PC market declines Mac sales continue to steadily rise or at least remain steady.
I am impressed by mac sales as well while the global PC sales number is declining for years.
 
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MacDarcy

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Apple really has to do something to radically redesign the iPad. But I don't think they will until AFTER the 10th anniversary iPhone in September. I say 2018 will be the year of the redesigned iPads.
 

rui no onna

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By the way I don't hate ipad or Apple, actually I am going to buy one of these ipad 2017 for my parents for them to watch TV show. I just want to discuss about the ipad/Apple economics.
Lol, this is why I expect the 2017 iPad to help stem flagging iPad sales. :p

From the ARS Technica article, peak iPad sales was in late 2013 - the year that Apple released the iPad mini 2 and dropped prices for the original mini to $299.

Tablets are certainly not necessities. These are luxury products. While the iPad line may only represent less than 10% of Apple's revenue, iPads hold a huge chunk of the (shrinking) tablet market and seems to suffer smaller losses compared to other manufacturers.

I looked at the article from Arstecnica and was disheartened iPad sales slipped below Mac sales. Although they both are very small part of Apple's sales but even so they are both of utmost importance to Apple. I find it funny as PC market declines Mac sales continue to steadily rise or at least remain steady.
Note, you're looking at revenue - $5.53B for iPad, $7.24B for Macs. If you look at unit sales, it's 13.08M iPad and 5.37M Macs. Given Q1'16 was 5.31M in Mac unit sales, I think it's safe to chalk part of the revenue increase of $500M down to higher prices.
 

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I think with the tablet market being a bit flooded, the need for a pro counterpart to the regular iPad doesn't make sense. Remember before the Pro, Apple had no problem improving the iPad, whereas today the new iPad is a mix of something old and little new.
 

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Lol, this is why I expect the 2017 iPad to help stem flagging iPad sales. :p

From the ARS Technica article, peak iPad sales was in late 2013 - the year that Apple released the iPad mini 2 and dropped prices for the original mini to $299.

Tablets are certainly not necessities. These are luxury products. While the iPad line may only represent less than 10% of Apple's revenue, iPads hold a huge chunk of the (shrinking) tablet market and seems to suffer smaller losses compared to other manufacturers.


Note, you're looking at revenue - $5.53B for iPad, $7.24B for Macs. If you look at unit sales, it's 13.08M iPad and 5.37M Macs. Given Q1'16 was 5.31M in Mac unit sales, I think it's safe to chalk part of the revenue increase of $500M down to higher prices.
Ah thank you yes I didn't notice that, so iPads do sell more but also because the price make less revenue ah I mixed those two up.
 

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Tablets are still important to many. I couldn't live without mine but a tablet does what it's suppose to do for most people and many don't see the need to upgrade them
 

rui no onna

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Okay so Apple is selling more Macs than iPads or the other way around ?
Apple still sells more iPads (13.08M) than Macs (5.37M). However, quarterly year over year iPad sales dropped - Q1'17 13.08M vs Q1'16 16.12M.

That said, I don't think there were any new iPads released in Q1'17 (October - December 2016) whereas Q1'16 saw the release of the iPad Pro (12.9") and iPad mini 4.
 
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