New Photos App Events show as My Albums when first importing from iPhoto

[Effusion01]

Have started using the photos app, I have a question for the events.
Its seems when first starting photo it import from iPhoto, after the import I noticed under albums there was a iPhoto events album under my albums.

Since events have been removed and really enjoyed that feature, when I click int he iPhoto events album and right click on the albums inside there it lest me move them out of the iPhoto event and all my events now show up under my albums. I guess thats the workaround for events we got used too.

However when under the iPhoto events album it kept its sort by date, however when I moved them out it just does not sort correctly. Anyone else have same issue? have you tried sorting it? any workaround?

thanks. I guess in the new app events are more like my albums.

 

[Vanoord]

Within an album:

'View' > 'Keep Sorted by Date'

Appears to work, but it you move one photo in that album, it switches off auto-sorting.


It doesn't look like you can sort Albums by date, the way Events were sorted by date.

'Moments' seems to have replaced 'Events', but given they're arbitrary and you can't move photographs between Moments or rename Moments, it's basically removed the user's ability to sort photographs the way they want them.

 

[newagemac]

Within an album:

'View' > 'Keep Sorted by Date'

Appears to work, but it you move one photo in that album, it switches off auto-sorting.


It doesn't look like you can sort Albums by date, the way Events were sorted by date.

'Moments' seems to have replaced 'Events', but given they're arbitrary and you can't move photographs between Moments or rename Moments, it's basically removed the user's ability to sort photographs the way they want them.

Albums and Smart Albums let you sort the photographs the way you want them. Events is totally unnecessary with the way Albums work now.

 

[Effusion01]

True, but my question is i know its easy to create new albums, but the one that were already done a events in iPhoto are now under an album call iPhoto which contains all the albums. When try to move it out to the main my album area it looses the sort function.

 

[Vanoord]

Albums and Smart Albums let you sort the photographs the way you want them. Events is totally unnecessary with the way Albums work now.

Events is only unnecessary if you haven't been using it as the primary means of organisation.

The way that albums work is not a sufficient way of organising photographs in the 'photo stream' that syncs with iCloud - that uses 'Moments', which is essentially useless if you're using more than just an iPhone to take snaps.

 

[newagemac]

Events is only unnecessary if you haven't been using it as the primary means of organisation.

The way that albums work is not a sufficient way of organising photographs in the 'photo stream' that syncs with iCloud - that uses 'Moments', which is essentially useless if you're using more than just an iPhone to take snaps.

What you don't seem to understand is that in the new Photos app, "Albums" actually work like "Events" did in iPhoto. So in reality, it's Albums that they got rid of. Think of it like how Gmail doesn't need folders because it uses tags to replace them. Events in iPhoto was like a tag instead of a folder. Albums in Photos works just like Events did. It no longer works like the old Albums did in iPhoto.

When your library is converted, the old Events from iPhoto are translated into "Albums" in Photos which is the same concept just a different name now. Stop thinking of Albums in Photos like Albums were in iPhoto. They are actually more like iPhoto's Events.

And with the ability to use Smart albums, you have all the organization iPhoto had. Actually you have even more with the built in smart albums like slo-mo, videos, panoramas, moments, etc. already set up for you.

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True, but my question is i know its easy to create new albums, but the one that were already done a events in iPhoto are now under an album call iPhoto which contains all the albums. When try to move it out to the main my album area it looses the sort function.

Try using Smart Albums if you want to sort and group by specific dates. If you have events that don't have a specific date, then you use Smart Albums combined with a tag for that particular "Event". The new Photos app is very powerful and flexible.

 

[KALLT]

What you don't seem to understand is that in the new Photos app, "Albums" actually work like "Events" did in iPhoto. So in reality, it's Albums that they got rid of. Think of it like how Gmail doesn't need folders because it uses tags to replace them. Events in iPhoto was like a tag instead of a folder. Albums in Photos works just like Events did. It no longer works like the old Albums did in iPhoto.

When your library is converted, the old Events from iPhoto are translated into "Albums" in Photos which is the same concept just a different name now. Stop thinking of Albums in Photos like Albums were in iPhoto. They are actually more like iPhoto's Events.

I beg to differ. Events were more like moments are now, only more restricted (no custom names, no merging). Events were a primary method to arrange an extensive photo library. iPhoto would allocate each photo to an event, or create a new event. You could not remove a photo from an event, only move it to another one. Albums had nothing to do with that, they were optional ‘playlists’. A photo could be added to multiple albums (without copying), but not to multiple events. Events view was simply a method to put some order into an extensive list of photos, just like moments are doing (or should be doing) now.

Photos does away with events and to keep the organisation that people had created with iPhoto events, they are converted instead into albums. This changes the nature of these ‘events’ too. You can remove these albums, you can even remove individual photos from these albums, without affecting the original image that is now also arranged in your moments view. However, they have not reproduced a permanent sorting method in albums yet, perhaps that is a bug or omitted.

I don’t see how albums are the new events.

 

[Vanoord]

I beg to differ. Events were more like moments are now, only more restricted (no custom names, no merging). Events were a primary method to arrange an extensive photo library. iPhoto would allocate each photo to an event, or create a new event. You could not remove a photo from an event, only move it to another one. Albums had nothing to do with that, they were optional ‘playlists’. A photo could be added to multiple albums (without copying), but not to multiple events. Events view was simply a method to put some order into an extensive list of photos, just like moments are doing (or should be doing) now.

Photos does away with events and to keep the organisation that people had created with iPhoto events, they are converted instead into albums. This changes the nature of these ‘events’ too. You can remove these albums, you can even remove individual photos from these albums, without affecting the original image that is now also arranged in your moments view. However, they have not reproduced a permanent sorting method in albums yet, perhaps that is a bug or omitted.

I don’t see how albums are the new events.

This, basically.

Moments replaces Events as the primary means of organising photographs, but unless Moments can be edited, merged and photographs manually moved between them, Moments are essentially useless.

Moments is probably fine if you're just using it to organise photographs taken on an iPhone, but otherwise it's pretty pointless.

 

[internalstorm]

I used Events and had all my photos categorized. New photos from my phone or camera would be placed into Events and named. It is very frustrating that Moments is essentially just a long list of photos grouped by arbitrary dates which can't be edited or re-named!

Albums is not a substitute for Events as they function as Albums did in iPhoto, meaning to delete an Album now is not necessarily to delete a real Photo in reality. Instead of easily dragging photos around in Events to create new Events, we now have to create Albums in a clumsy fashion which only reference the actual photos which are only "real" in Moments.

This is terribly frustrating.

Also, when you hovered over Events in iPhoto it would glide through all the thumbnails so you can see what's in the Event. In Albums this seems to have been removed, so the only way to preview what's in the Album is to actually enter the Album.

Anyone else completely annoyed by this "new" functionality?

 

[Pock]

I used Events and had all my photos categorized. New photos from my phone or camera would be placed into Events and named. It is very frustrating that Moments is essentially just a long list of photos grouped by arbitrary dates which can't be edited or re-named!

Albums is not a substitute for Events as they function as Albums did in iPhoto, meaning to delete an Album now is not necessarily to delete a real Photo in reality. Instead of easily dragging photos around in Events to create new Events, we now have to create Albums in a clumsy fashion which only reference the actual photos which are only "real" in Moments.

This is terribly frustrating.

Also, when you hovered over Events in iPhoto it would glide through all the thumbnails so you can see what's in the Event. In Albums this seems to have been removed, so the only way to preview what's in the Album is to actually enter the Album.

Anyone else completely annoyed by this "new" functionality?

This is essentially the reason I won't be upgrading to Photos yet. I like being able to organise my own photos (Events) - Photos just puts everything into one big pile (Moments).

 

[Vanoord]

This is essentially the reason I won't be upgrading to Photos yet. I like being able to organise my own photos (Events) - Photos just puts everything into one big pile (Moments).

Yes.

The way that Photos splits photos into 'Moments' is inexplicable. Take, for example, one day's use of my iPhone:


Last Monday, I took a photograph at around 9.15am on the way to work, which is perhaps 6 miles from where I took the photograph.

I took three photographs at work, at around 1.00pm.

I took one further photograph at work at 6.15pm.


Photos split these into two 'Moments' - one comprising the first four photographs; and a second 'Moment' comprising one photograph.

Quite what compels it to consider that photographs taken 8 miles apart should be grouped together, but that one taken 20 ft away from three others should be considered separate is anyone's guess.

Then there's the naming issue.

I have some 'Moments' named after roads, some after towns and one (so far) named a bit of sea some 20 miles away.


How to resolve this?

(i) Allow the user to merge and split Moments.
(ii) Allow the user to rename Moments

That's not a massive ask, but it would turn Moments from being a complete pain-in-the-proverbial to being a useful way of organising photographs.

Not unlike Events were...

 

[Pock]

Completely agree.

Another example, I got married last week and with iPhoto I put all the photos from everyone's phones and cameras into one event (named 'Wedding - Family Cameras'), and then all the professional photos into another event ('Wedding - Official Photos').

I wouldn't be able to do this with Photos. I could put them into folders, but that's not the same - I want to move the actual file.

 

[Vanoord]

Completely agree.

Another example, I got married last week and with iPhoto I put all the photos from everyone's phones and cameras into one event (named 'Wedding - Family Cameras'), and then all the professional photos into another event ('Wedding - Official Photos').

I wouldn't be able to do this with Photos. I could put them into folders, but that's not the same - I want to move the actual file.

Yep, you can create an album, but you're going to be left with a massive bunch of photos seemingly randomly scattered throughout 'Moments'.

It's probably fine if you're taking pics on an iPhone but when you add (as I do) a DSLR and a couple of different compacts into the equation, Moments becomes meaningless.

Will it be resolved?

Probably not.


The bit that really surprises me is that nobody at Apple seems to have considered that people *might* just want arrange their own photographs rather than have a random AI make a random attempt at doing it.

 

[Liam555]

It's probably fine if you're taking pics on an iPhone but when you add (as I do) a DSLR and a couple of different compacts into the equation, Moments becomes meaningless.

I couldn't agree more. I was starting to think I was the only one who saw this. Personally, I've never used IPhoto. I just store my photos into folders and organise everything by year/Month/event. I imported everything into Photos because I thought it would be an easier way of seeing all my photos without clicking them one by one. I tried using albums but the fact that deleting a picture in the album doesn't actually delete the picture in moments is a buzz kill.

I really hope they fix this in one way or another. I really like your idea of merging moments and collections together and organizing/renaming the group of photos together.

 

[internalstorm]

If we all send Apple some feedback maybe they will add the simple feature of being able to manually organize Moments:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html

It's worth a try. Otherwise, I don't know if I will ever be able to upgrade to Photos.