New User to Mac - got my first Macbook yesterday. A Couple of questions!!

willgimmence

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Absolutely delighted with it. I have quickly got used to all the bits and bobs on there.

Just a couple of questions now.

I have managed to login to MSN Messenger using aMSN and Adium. Adium seems to be really basic and I don't like the interface at all so I think I'm going to stick with aMSN. I can't get my webcam to work in it though? When I send my webcam or my friends send theirs it says connecting for a few seconds and then says that both parties have cancelled. Does anyone know a messenger that supports webcams? When will ichat support MSN & webcams? Seems ridiculous to me!

I have a customers external hard drive which is formatted to Mac which has been dropped and now the disk clonks and struggles to spin. On a Windows PC I would simply ghost it to a new hard drive, being that is a mac ghost doesn't recognise the file type of the drive. Can anyone recommend some software that would enable me to recover files from a faulty hard disk?

Cheers :)
 

lisamel

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Hi!
I use MSN for mac and I dont think you can use the webcam with it, unfortunately :( So if I need to use it I go to iChat or Skype which both work with iSight.
 

willgimmence

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Hi!
I use MSN for mac and I dont think you can use the webcam with it, unfortunately :( So if I need to use it I go to iChat or Skype which both work with iSight.
Don't you think this is a ridiculous cop out from Apple? It should just work! Is isight a separate webcam? I want to use the one that is integrated in my mac, not buy another one!!
 

AdeFowler

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Don't you think this is a ridiculous cop out from Apple? It should just work! Is isight a separate webcam? I want to use the one that is integrated in my mac, not buy another one!!
Well, to be fair it's not really Apple's job to support aMSN; more aMSN's job to make sure their software works with the hardware it's running on. Have a look here:

http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=3

Better still would be if Microsoft kept there promises and updated the Mac version of MSN to include video support.

http://www.officeformac.com/blog/An-Update-on-Messenger-for-Mac

Enjoy your Mac ;)
 

willgimmence

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Well, to be fair it's not really Apple's job to support aMSN; more aMSN's job to make sure their software works with the hardware it's running on. Have a look here:

http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=3

Better still would be if Microsoft kept there promises and updated the Mac version of MSN to include video support.

http://www.officeformac.com/blog/An-Update-on-Messenger-for-Mac

Enjoy your Mac ;)
Why can't Apple just make ichat work on the MSN database? Skype webcam seems to work fine. Seems very strange to me! So many students have Macbooks these days I can't believe they all go without their webcams working! Damn Microsoft :(

Other than the webcam issue I absolutely LOVE IT.
 

completeidiot23

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yeah not up to apple to support the msn protocol. Adium is really nice when you start to make it your own and customise it. I have it set up to look almost exactly like ichat.

And theres a reason and the dev's at adium tell you why the isight won't work, on there site.
 

willgimmence

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yeah not up to apple to support the msn protocol. Adium is really nice when you start to make it your own and customise it. I have it set up to look almost exactly like ichat.

And theres a reason and the dev's at adium tell you why the isight won't work, on there site.
Being a Windows User I'm not used to customising things around like that ;)

I shall give it a try tonight :)
 

completeidiot23

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also transfers are abit slower, but thats because of microsoft bottlenecking transfers, with apps, thats not their messenger. But adium, is the best messenger on the mac.

You can be logged in to your msn, yahoo, google, facebook accounts all at once, and all your contacts be in the same contact list
 

willgimmence

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Because Skype's developers took the time to code iSight support. Microsoft's developers have not. It's a Microsoft problem, not an Apple problem.
Seems totally crazy to me and it's so frustrating! I'm surprised a bigger deal hasn't been made of this as it appears to have been going on for a long time. Damn you MS!! If aMSN can come up with a work around, why can't apple with ichat? Apple with all their funding I would have thought should be able to sort this issue out.
 

miles01110

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Seems totally crazy to me and it's so frustrating! I'm surprised a bigger deal hasn't been made of this as it appears to have been going on for a long time. Damn you MS!! If aMSN can come up with a work around, why can't apple with ichat? Apple with all their funding I would have thought should be able to sort this issue out.
Well then lobby Microsoft to make the necessary changes. It's not like iSight integration is a big mystery to everyone. If Skype can do it, I'm sure Microsoft can.

Or you could just ditch MSN altogether for something more modern. Again, it has nothing to do with iChat.
 

willgimmence

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Well then lobby Microsoft to make the necessary changes. It's not like iSight integration is a big mystery to everyone. If Skype can do it, I'm sure Microsoft can.

Or you could just ditch MSN altogether for something more modern. Again, it has nothing to do with iChat.
Simple question is - if aMSN can work around it and make webcams work, why can't apple with their billions of pounds/dollars of funding? I'm not digging at all. MS are a horrendous company that would rob a dying man. I hate them more than anyone - my company was sued 20k by them last year! I just feel it's a very simple thing for Apple to have not sorted out.
 

Darth.Titan

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Simple question is - if aMSN can work around it and make webcams work, why can't apple with their billions of pounds/dollars of funding? I'm not digging at all. MS are a horrendous company that would rob a dying man. I hate them more than anyone - my company was sued 20k by them last year! I just feel it's a very simple thing for Apple to have not sorted out.
As has been explained to you repeatedly, problems with aMSN are not Apple's responsibility.

The webcam works in iChat, Adium, Skype, and others. It does not work with aMSN because aMSN have not taken the time to write their program properly.

Apple cannot fix another company's software. Period.
 

willgimmence

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As has been explained to you repeatedly, problems with aMSN are not Apple's responsibility.

The webcam works in iChat, Adium, Skype, and others. It does not work with aMSN because aMSN have not taken the time to write their program properly.

Apple cannot fix another company's software. Period.
You really don't get it do you?

What I'm saying is, if aMSN can write a program that enables the use of webcams with MSN with £0. How come Apple can't?
 

Dan73

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Being a Windows User I'm not used to customising things around like that ;)

I shall give it a try tonight :)
Sorry not trying to be an ass here but what does being a "windows user" have anything to do with customizing things. You can customize a windows PC more than any mac.

But yes Adium is awesome and far from basic, you can login multiple accounts and customize just about every aspect of it to your liking.
 

haiggy

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http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=search&cat_id=4

Click to download or install some of these contact list styles if you like them. That's an easy way to get a start on customizing Adium to suit your needs. I love it. Very simple, clean, uncluttered. I can't stand aMSN (although it's gotten better).

There is a whole variety of things you can customize with Adium: message styles, emoticons, contact list, icons, etc. They can be found here:

http://adiumxtras.com/
 

willgimmence

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Why exactly would Apple want to further enable its #1 competitor? :rolleyes:
So do you think Apple have not worked on getting MSN to work with a webcam to discourage people from using MSN? If I was able to produce a piece of software, I would expect Apple to be able to produce a far better piece of software because of their vast experience and funding. I don't get why people are getting funny about me saying that? All my friends use MSN so there isn't any alternative that I can use - if there was, alas I would use it. I guess I'll have to replace all of my friends.
 

Kristenn

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I really don't think Apple has permission to use Microsoft's protocol code in iChat. Besides, Apple wouldn't want to push MSN protocol forward and Microsoft wouldn't want people using iChat over Microsoft Messenger.
 

willgimmence

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I really don't think Apple has permission to use Microsoft's protocol code in iChat. Besides, Apple wouldn't want to push MSN protocol forward and Microsoft wouldn't want people using iChat over Microsoft Messenger.
Causes a massive problem for me and I'm sure many other users as all my friends use MSN :( Hopefully something else will be done in the future to sort this out. I started using Adium properly last night and I fully agree - it's leagues ahead on aMSN. Hope they sort out webcam support soon :D
 

colourfastt

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So do you think Apple have not worked on getting MSN to work with a webcam to discourage people from using MSN? If I was able to produce a piece of software, I would expect Apple to be able to produce a far better piece of software because of their vast experience and funding. I don't get why people are getting funny about me saying that? All my friends use MSN so there isn't any alternative that I can use - if there was, alas I would use it. I guess I'll have to replace all of my friends.
Yes, replace your friends. Anyone who is still using 8 year old technology is due to be replaced anyway.