New York city schools want to ban 'loaded words' from tests

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  1. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    This is ridiculous. Nanny state here we come.
     
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    Didn't we see this here already??

    Or was that Twitter? :eek:
     
  3. obeygiant thread starter macrumors 68040

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    not sure, sorry if its been posted before.
     
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    This is just schools trying to toe a careful line on their official materials. Some of these seem a tad absurd (like Halloween or Christmas) but they're not really nanny state.
     
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    Agreed. This sort of story just makes me grouchy. If you're offended by the word "pepperoni", then it's you with the problem. Deal with it. And before someone comes in and says it's the same as racial slurs or other derogatory terms, it's not.
     
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    When you ban words, you limit discussion about said words. You allow closed, uniformed minds to remain closed. You further drive people apart.

    So much for education.

    -Orwell "1984"
     
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    Yes, but some people have problems, and always will, and the job of the school system isn't to fix people's problems, but to educate their kids. If they can accomplish that more effectively at the cost of indulging a little bit of peevy BS that people shouldn't get uptight about but do anyway, then that's the way to go. Telling those parents they're overly entitled offense-seeking jerks is more your job as their peers, so knock yourself out, but I can't really blame a school for avoiding the whole mess if they can.
     
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    It's interesting how it has crossed both aisles.

    PC is now shared by the left and the right.

    Surely it's a sign of progress. ;)
     
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    Is it any wonder we are raising kids completely unprepared to deal with the world?
     
  11. citizenzen Suspended

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    Well ... I don't think it's because we've labelled a few words as politically incorrect.

    Second question ... what leads you to think that the kids are "completely unprepared to deal with the world?"

    Sounds to me as if someone's getting old and grumpy.
     
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    You guys are getting your dander up for nothing. This is obviously just an attempt to do lite "culture-fair" testing. The real purpose of this kind of cheap generic testing is to intimidate teachers. Whether a few magic words show up in the tests is neither here nor there. For students who are way above average or way below average, there are real tests that have more interesting results.
     
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    If you control the language you control the debate, the left does this thru political correctness. Although I think the right has had more success doing it, i.e. turning the word "liberal" into a pejorative.
     
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    The right is head and shoulders above the left in messaging.
     
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    It all depends on who you agree with. :)
     
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    Some of this seems entirely ridiculous and counterproductive (e.g. banning Christmas, birthdays and halloween from being used) but there can be value in not using more obscure cultural references that only people from a certain race/class will be familiar with.

    e.g. White Christian Americans are going to generally do better with a question talking about Christmas and Easter than one talking about Eid and Ramadan - even if it doesn't require any particular understanding of those festivals (e.g. its a maths question).

    Also certainly with regards to this poor whites are a minority too, so if there are more of them than Hindus in New York something like pepperoni seems like a good example unless there is something equivalently good for both groups.
     
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    Laudable attitude, but I do wonder why Mr Wineburg introduced Latin into the argument without apparently being able to translate it. Educere means to lead, draw or guide out, whereas his version omits any reference to the educator's role in the process. Odd.
     
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    Bloomberg seems to want to destroy New York's reputation any way he can. First the muslim profiling and turning the city into Disney Land.
     
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    This statement is meaningless.
     
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    Kids lack common sense and the ability to problem solve real world situations. Sure they can ace a standardized test but how is that going to help them.
     
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    My, what a broad brush you have, Grandma!
     
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    We don't teach kids how to survive anymore, we teach them how to get the highest test scores so states get more money. How are these kids being prepared to grow in life when they don't learn that in school. Sure these kids are groomed to go to college but most of them are unemployed now and can't get a job because they are all over qualified.
     
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    That explains all the dead kids littering the streets these days.
     
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    Does it explain why you have all these college graduates unable to get work? Take away that one function these kids have been trained for and they are lost.
     

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