New York Times: Prosecute Cheney

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    True, Bill Clinton was the only president who had the guts to admit he dodged the draft because he was sincerely opposed to the Vietnam War.

    Cheney, Bush, Quayle, Kristol, and the rest of the neocons took their college deferments or hid out in the National Guard to avoid serving in Vietnam at the same time they were supporting the war. Quayle was even dumb enough to admit it.
     
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    As much as I would like to see Cheney prosecuted, I'm afraid that doing so would set a bad precedent where the incoming administration would always seek to prosecute the outgoing administration.
     
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    Also, it's not going to happen because Obama doesn't want to sent a precedent that would get him indicted for war crimes.

    War criminals in today's America are untouchable.
     
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    Not quite. Bill Clinton, while in college signed a letter of intent to go into the ROTC program. He then changed his mind but did not change his status with his local draft board. That's from his own words in his book.
     
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    So technically he didn't dodge the draft. Now I respect him even more.
     
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    Agreed but it is easy for us to Monday morning quarterback and second guess the decisions that our leaders make without knowing all of the facts. Despite the differences in ideologies, I think each president regardless of party is doing what they believe is right in their hearts. We as Americans don't want to discourage people from running for office out of fear that they will be prosecuted for making a tough decision.
     
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    No, he dodged the draft. He admits it in his book. It's actually a pretty good back.
     
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    Do you have evidence that President Obama ordered those under his command to commit war crimes? Be specific.


    By some folks definitions, any act of war at all is a war crime, but, that is twisting the language to the point of being meaningless.
     
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    I prefer an honest draft-dodger to a dishonest war-monger.

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    Obama ordered the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.
     
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    Arming the enemy. Bombing libya. Spying on us citizens.targetting us civilians over seas
     
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    Sorry, it is not obvious to me that a drone strike in a war zone under the control of the enemy is necessarily a war crime. It might be, it might not be. But, there is a long precedent for not being able to claim the rights of citizenship or the rights of being a POW if a citizen engages in unlawful combat against their own country:

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/quirin.html

    Perhaps you could explain your reasoning further.
     
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    I doubt liberals ever thought that the clown they elected would be worse than Bush. God forbid they turn on the messiah

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    Thought he was a cleric? Not an actual combatant

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/targeted-killings
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

     
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    There is no need for this administration to prosecute Cheney, they can just buy him a nice plane ticket to Den Hague and let the international court determine his guilt.
     
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    send Obama /bush & congress along for the ride :)
     
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    Another Consideration...

    Without taking sides, there is to the best of my knowledge, a topic that has hardly been discussed in the mainstream civilian blogosphere here in the USA. That's the fact that we here in the USA are much more open about what military info is shared with the public, than what other countries share with their people. We enjoy a level of civilization others haven't experienced. With the advent of embedded reporters in wartime we have put our very own military in grave danger. Argue that point and you reveal how naive you are about war.

    Say what you will but tortuous practices during war are not only widely employed by other countries and never talked about nor admitted, but are so routine that it's not even thought about.

    Conversely here in the US talking heads like Dick Cheney are so eager to get attention and recognition good or bad, they talk about too much, they damage our national security. The state of which is already so compromised over the last few presidents it's a sad state of affairs.

    Make no mistake I am NOT defending Cheney, for he is but one of many politicians guilty of putting special interests ahead of mainstream Americans, the very people who politicians are elected to serve.
     
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    That doesn't accomplish anything 10+ years later. They have to be denied that initial ability.
     
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    start prosecuting them & the problem will fix itself
     
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    I'm highly skeptical of that. It's also going to fall along party lines just like you had with Iran Contra.
     
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    you might be confusing me with someone else, already said add Obama/BUSH & the rest of congress to the mix, not sure what "party" line you think I tow.
     
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    I didn't mean you. I meant that the decision of whether to prosecute would fall along party lines and depend upon election cycles. It's a pipe dream to suggest that both White House members and a significant portion of Congress could be fairly prosecuted for anything. I'm not even sure there would be enough resources.
     
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    Thanks for clearing it up. Yeah that became painfully obvious once obama was elected.
     

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