It seems there is NO way to get your photos safely backed up to your Mac (or PC) from your iPhone running iOS 8 until Photos for Mac launches in 2015. * AirDropping from iOS to Mac does not work; only some pictures transfer. (I might try AirDropping 5, for instance, and only 1 would download onto the Mac) * Photo dates do not carry across 99% of the time when copying them in any way from iCloud Photo Library EVEN if the photos were taken on the device, and display as the current date for today. * An alternative solution such as Dropboxing them from the phone is inconsistent with resolution, and shows missing dates meaning they would be all clumped together in iPhoto * Plugging phone into Mac brings up only a portion of the photos in iPhoto, with no edits to boot. * Trying to turn off iCloud Photo Library presents message that "Not all photos and videos are fully downloaded because storage space is low on this phone" (3GB free) "If you continue, photos and videos not fully downloaded will be removed from iPhone". Two options: "REMOVE FROM iPHONE" or "Manage Storage". Dead end. The latest iOS 8 beta includes options to "store full-resolution copies on device" or just thumbnails. Even with the "store full-resolution copies" option on, these pictures cannot be imported with the correct dates and edits from the phone to the computer. What a nightmare for users, one that will continue long past the launch of iOS 8 and through to the Photos for Mac launch in 2015. A very half-baked solution. I guess the only solution is to abandon iPhoto / photos on the Mac, and turn on the thumbnails/space saving option in iCloud Photo Library, and trust they are safe there - not just now during the beta but from next month's public release until Apple issues Photos for Mac. If anyone knows anything I'm missing, I'd love to hear it. Apart from this iOS 8 has been skilfully done and all the continuity features with Handoff and evolutions to iCloud have been great. But Photos, what a mess.