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Discussion in 'Buying Tips, Advice and Discussion (archive)' started by brhmac, Feb 12, 2004.
Anyone have any practical experience to give an opinion?
Nikon D70 or Canon Digital Rebel?
Practical experience on the D70 will be hard to come by since it has not yet shipped.
Working in the Photo Industry I will give you my personal impressions of the two, the D70 can not be looked as a s Rebel Digital or 10D camera. It has features that crosses the boundaries of the two.
Given todays pricing it will give both Canon's a run for their money. Add to that the perceived quality of the the new lens. And Nikon looks like a winner.
Yet don't expect Canon not meet the challenge by the end of the year. Add to that the differences that some feel between CCD and CMOS and you can see a battle in the future.
IMHO the 10D is closer to the D70 then the Digital Rebel.
I take it you already saw this lengthy thread:
Thanks for the link to the forum
Had not seen that forum. Thanks.
Lots of good perspective.
As a hardcore Nikon fan since 1985 - get the Nikon - no question
That's not necessarily a good reason for someone else.
I would say, unless you like the way a Canon camera feels, go with the Nikon D70. I expect excellence from Nikon cameras, but not from Canon.
That's the thing...
I don't like the feel of the Canon. It feels "cheap." (That said, I love my Canon i950 printer.)
Camera-wise, though, my 4-year-old Nikon Coolpix still feels solid. My expectation is the D70 would have a similar feel -- only with much better performance. But I don't know.
I just started looking for information about the D70 this week because I knew Nikon was expected to announce early in the year a 6 mp+ SLR digital camera in low-to-mid $1000 price range. I was unaware they weren't yet shipping when I made this post.
Re: That's the thing...
i agree... nikons have always felt more substantial to me... and i really prefer the interface. cannon is like windows, nothing ever seems to be in the right place. nikon is my mac, everything always makes sense
I would pass on the Digital Rebel (300D). I owned one for a couple of months and I cannot say I would recommend it. The autofocus and has some problems which haven't been addressed with firmware updates. Many images will be underexposed if set to auto. Also, indoor pictures using the pop-up flash are terrible (even when using the exposure compensation hack). The camera is BIG compared to others and the body is plastic. That said, if you don't mind some serious tweaking and many underexposed or slightly out of focus shots, it is possible to get some great looking pictures from the camera. Is it worth the time? I don't think so.
That's why you don't use auto exposure, auto focus, or the built in flash
Yes, I could shoot in manual manual mode ALL of the time but there are some occasions when Full auto mode is nice to have. Try tracking a fast moving subject in full manual mode. It's not very fun. Why would you buy a camera when some features don't work correctly? It's like buying a car with square wheels. Sure they're wheels, they just don't roll.
Don't forget that the kit lens isn't very good, either.
Suddenly, the camera isn't worth much.
Agree. But I still recommend the Nikon As I said I am using them now for more than 15 years and my experience was very good so far. On the other hand I never used a Canon. So I can't really tell. If I had no preferences and the price point and specs of both would fit my needs I would just go into the next store and play around a while with them. Take the one you better like.
This is the biggest pile of nonsense going. It's funny I hear canon is hell on earth from Nikon lovers, and Nikon is hell on earth from canon users.
In basic terms Canon is a way cooler label than Nikon and if you gave both cameras to photographers from your local zoo chimp to David (not so hot) Bailey, the Canon would be producing the better picture. The CMOS will churn it better than CCD and you will have more spare change to pay for higher quality glass.
The other thing to remember for anyone seriously comparing the two cameras is that if you are taking consistantly bad pictures on the Canon you will continue on the same road with the Nikon. A photographer still has to learn to use an automated camera.
Also, if you really want to know, I thought everyone knew Canon make better lenses than Nikon. With that said, if your building a Tasty Glass collection it seems obvious to me that the budget DSLR buyer should buy the canon. Who in their right mind would invest in the Nikon way unless they had already been burned with Nikon lens purchaces and where just trying to limit the damage?
Have you used the Digital Rebel? I like Canon and Nikon cameras. That doesn't mean that either company is not capable of producing a slightly flawed camera which in this case is the 300D. I'm just trying to save the guy the same headaches that I (and many others) went through.
Why not do what any serious buyer woudl do: rent one for the weekend! Its the best way to make up your mind about a camera! Most camera store will rent one for a fraction of the price, just be sure to make a reservation a while in advance!
The debate could go on forever. Nikon fans will certainly try to thumb their noses at Canon's Digital Rebel/300D for feeling "cheap". But Canon introduced this camera back in July or August of last year and it's widely considered the most significant digital camera announcement for 2003. It was the first SLR-type digital camera with the kind of street credentialed chip that weekend 35mm film camera holdouts were waiting for and is essentially a stripped down, consumer-friendly version of their vaunted 10D.
So credit Nikon for showing up late to the party (nearly seven months later) to one-up Canon with their own entry-level SLR-based digicam. You can try to compare the D70 to Canon's 10D, a nearly year-old camera, but it doesn't make up for Nikon's inferior chips or poor customer service.
Hmmm...where to start. I'm an Olympus user who prefers Nikon over Canon because of the way they work and feel.
You have a point about Nikon's budget lenses. They're worse than Canon's best lenses. Canon's best lenses are no better than Nikon's best lenses, though. Nikon gives you plenty of room to make mistakes. If you buy cheap, you get a cheap lens--they're not merely inexpensive.
As far as exposure, Canon's been doing auto-exposure programming since the AE-1 in the 1970s and should have it right by now. The fact that a chimp can get good photos from a Canon camera doesn't surprise me. Perhaps, they test their ergonomics with chimpanzees. (I couldn't resist!)
I have to admit, I did laugh when I read that.
I love Macrumors.