NO COLLUSION!...Well, maybe there was, but, like, whatever man

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  1. widgeteer Suspended

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/30/politics/rudy-giuliani-collusion-crime-cnntv/index.html

    Guiliani is the Trump-Crime-Canery-In-The-Coalmine. You can always tell what they have on Trump by what Guiliani is trying to play down on talk shows. So now we know odds are pretty good not only did Trump conspire, but there's evidence to support it. Not that this is necessarily new. Even Trump's most ardent supporters suspect he did it because the arguments have been alternating between NO COLLUSION! and OPPO RESEARCH! for months now.

    #BlueWave
     
  2. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Get out in front of it!! Deny before they get accused. Rinse/repeat.
     
  3. widgeteer thread starter Suspended

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    Sure, but I don't think copping to the thing you've vehemently denied took place really helps anything. Guiliani must have some form of dementia. Nothing else explains his increasingly bizarre appearances. And it underlines Trump's probable poor mental health because this is what Trump thinks a *winning* strategy looks like.
     
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    I love how Giuliani is playing this. The left will be going absolutely crazy over this for a while and it’s cracking me up. When the investigation is finally over and president Trump is innocent of all conspiracies, liberals heads are going to explode. Can’t wait.
     
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    You guys always say stuff like this but I suspect you're not actually laughing nor loving any of it.
     
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    What are conservatives going to do when he is found guilty? Sadly, heads won't explode. They'll continue to be in denial and call it a witch hunt. Can't wait :/
     
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    I am laughing because it’s a joke when it comes to Trump. I cannot wait for the msm to turn on Mueller when it’s all said and done.
     
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    Witch hunt, I think they call it. So are Trump now agreeing that he is in fact a witch?
     
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    If Trump was guilty, Mueller would have announced it already. But what’s the crime of collusion anyways? Because if it was that bad, Mueller wouldn’t allow such a criminal to be the leader of the free world now would he?
     
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    45 Supporters: We believe the orange man that constantly lies and breaks the law who leads a party that has gained power by subverting democracy, so that means everyone else is brainwashed when they believe the independently sourced and verified news organizations.
     
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    You don't seem to understand how investigations like this work.
     
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    I believe I do.... But I’ll ask again. What’s the punishment of collusion?
     
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    Not necessarily. Historically, these types of investigations take time - two years in the case of Watergate.

    That's like saying if Trump was going to build a wall, he would have done it already. ;)
     
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    You'll have to ask Congress when/if they take action. Further, I hope you realize that collusion is just part of the investigation. Collusion itself might not bring any action except getting Trump to testify. If that happens, then there's a good chance of perjury. Then a chance of impeachment. But will impeachment mean he's booted from office? No idea. No one can predict what is going to happen. No one knows what charges or findings the Mueller investigation will yield right now. We have some ideas.

    I do think that if he's guilty or impeached, his base will not only not accept it, but it will bring an even higher level of discord in this country. As for what happens if Trump is "cleared" of any wrong doing - sorry - but I don't seem that happening. There's too much there there.
     
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    You mean conspiracy. With a foreign government? That's usually called "treason."
     
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    Of course, you know that collusion is not the actual crime that anyone would be charged with. Which is why you disingenuously try to frame the conversation in those terms.

    We won't know what crimes fall under that umbrella. Conspiracy to defraud the US. Federal election violations. Money laundering. Etc. These are all potential crimes to come out of the investigation.

    But that's all irrelevant to the question of potential punishment for 45. His potential punishment is likely limited to impeachment.
     
  18. widgeteer thread starter Suspended

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    Which they know as well, meaning they're pretty sure (rightly so) that the GOP senate won't do anything about it.

    Not that it even matters because there is no evidence that will be presented that won't be called fake or biased or shrugged off.
     
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    At the very least, electoral punishment. You know, politicians are accountable for their actions even if they are legally not a crime.
     
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    So is Trump being investigated for treason or collusion? Which is it?
     
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    Again, you are being disingenuous. Collusion can refer to any number of crimes, including treason.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
     
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    Throwing “treason” into this investigation is far fetched. This isn’t 1972. You would think the FBI by now would be able to know the serious level of this “collusion” that the left keeps worshiping.
     
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    Could be meat. Could be cake.

    IT LOOKS LIKE...MEATCAKE!
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    Wha? You guys have decided that there's some time limit on when we would know something or not. It's an INVESTIGATION. As in people are "investigating" what happened.
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    On another note: Guiliani this morning stated that Mueller has a conflict of interest but declined to lay out any evidence, said that's Mueller's job. When asked why it's Mueller's job to confirm charges Trump would make against him, Guiliani said "Because Mueller is the one with conflict."

    Ummm. I can see where Trump supporters get their understanding of how this stuff works now.
     
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    We don't know yet if it's far fetched or not. And we don't know if it is a part of the investigation.

    You keep repeating this talking point even though it has been thoroughly rebutted. Similar investigations take years. And charges aren't brought based on what you know, but based on what you can prove. And we've seen dozens of charges.
     
  25. samcraig macrumors P6

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    So far fetched it didn't stop conservatives from throwing that around about Hillary, the Dems, etc

    https://www.statesman.com/news/stat...ton-committed-treason/gSvbPk3XoOJX4doRLsPaeJ/

    https://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-guilty-treason-sebastian-gorka-uranium-one-694367

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368622-trump-accuses-fbi-agent-of-treason

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/one-dares-call-it-treason/552395/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-not-be-a-great-idea/?utm_term=.e46958d9d86e
     

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