No Death Penalty for Florida Airport shooter???

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  1. lostngone macrumors 65816

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    http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Fe...ision-in-Esteban-Santiago-case-481328471.html

    "MIAMI (AP) - The Justice Department has decided not to seek the death penalty against an Alaska man accused of killing five people and wounding six in a Florida airport shooting."

    I don't understand why we let these people live. I understand that with all the appeals and the cost to put someone down it costs more than housing them for life but these are examples of where these people need to go.
     
  2. WarHeadz macrumors 6502a

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    Most likely because he’s mentally ill. I’m fine with life in prison. Not too keen on the death penalty. The article says the guy complained of mental illness in the past and was still allowed to have a gun. That’s probably something that should be addressed.
     
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    Good, no need to have yet another state sanctioned murder.
     
  4. lostngone thread starter macrumors 65816

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    http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Re...ing-suspect-mentally-competent-482715721.html

    “Court records say an Alaska man charged with killing five people and wounding six in a shooting rampage at a Florida airport has been found mentally competent and is scheduled to plead guilty later this month.”

    He is “fit” to stand trial. Is he still mentally ill, I don’t really care. This guy killed 5 people and now he gets free room and board and free health care for the rest of his life.
     
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    He's not getting sentenced to life in a bed-and-breakfast.
     
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    If you really think that getting to stay in prison your entire life is such a good deal why don’t you put yourself in there? You probably could do it even without committing an actual crime, just find an unsolved case in your area and go to the police and say you did it, then you to can get the free room and board and healthcare that you think is so great.
     
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    The death penalty is archaic and has no place in a civilized society. It's main goal was as a deterrent. It failed. So there's really no point in keeping it, as it doesn't bring back the dead, generally doesn't deter people from committing the crime and is not enforced equally, even within states that allow it.
     
  8. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    Jealous?

    I'd like to see how you'd adjust to living in such luxurious conditions :rolleyes:

    Prisons in America are criminal themselves. Your opinion on "justice" reeks of vengeance, which is not justice but instead primal behavior that societies are supposed to get past. America however, seems to just jump backwards on this front every year. Literally experimenting on humans for the death penalty.
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    Ok, that phrasing made me laugh pretty damn hard.
     
  9. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    While I would have preferred the death penalty for him, I have no problem with life with no parole.
     
  10. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    He gets showers, clothing, toilet, bed, food and another day to live. While 5 people are dead.
     
  11. eatrains macrumors 6502

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    Killing him won't bring those five people back to life. And meanwhile, innocent people keep getting put to death.
     
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    Its probably better than a coffin, which is where he put 5 people. Not to mention the pain for the families.

    That being said I'm rather indifferent on the death penalty. It seems like it would be a deterrent for violent crimes but they still happen.
     
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    The main reason the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent.... we don't actually put enough to death with it.

    Every time a state puts someone down on death row, it makes national headlines because it will have been the first in so many years.

    If we had public hangings, firing squads, beheadings again and on a more frequent basis... it would work as it was originally intended.

    However, as a society, to bring that back. seems more like devolving than evolving.
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    Seeing as most violent crimes are “crimes of passion” (meaning they’re not premeditated but instead happen in the heat of the moment) there simply is no deterrent worth speaking about.

    It’s long past time the USA joins the civilized world which has abandoned the death penalty. I’ll never understand the mental gymnastics a “libertarian” or “conservative” agree with a government so small it has the ability take a life outside of warfare.
     
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    A quick death is a cruel, archaic treatment of mass murderers but caging them like animals for life isn't? Prison should be about rehabilitation, not training camp for criminals. Let's save the ones who can be saved and give them another chance at a decent life. Those who cannot be rehabilitated should be gone. That said, we cannot continue to convict people of capital crimes with no hard evidence.
     
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    A person's definition of civilized changes as time goes on. I'm sure people 300 years ago thought they were civilized too.

    Some numbers as of 2017 on the death peanalty:

    Global figures
    At least 1,032 people were executed in 23 countries in 2016. In 2015 Amnesty International recorded 1,634 executions in 25 countries worldwide - a historical spike unmatched since 1989.

    Most executions took place in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan – in that order.

    China remained the world’s top executioner – but the true extent of the use of the death penalty in China is unknown as this data is considered a state secret; the global figure of at least 1,032 excludes the thousands of executions believed to have been carried out in China.

    Excluding China, 87% of all executions took place in just four countries – Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan.

    For the first time since 2006, the USA was not one of the five biggest executioners, falling to seventh behind Egypt. The 20 executions in the USA was the lowest in the country since 1991.

    During 2016, 23 countries, about one in eight of all countries worldwide, are known to have carried out executions. This number has decreased significantly from twenty years ago (40 countries carried out executions in 1997). Belarus, Botswana, Nigeria and authorities within the State of Palestine resumed executions in 2016; Chad, India, Jordan, Oman and United Arab Emirates –all countries that executed people in 2015 − did not report any executions last year.

    141 countries worldwide, more than two-thirds, are abolitionist in law or practice.

    In 2016, two countries – Benin and Nauru– abolished the death penalty in law for all crimes. In total, 104 countries have done so – a majority of the world’s states. Only 64 countries were fully abolitionist in 1997.

    Commutations or pardons of death sentences were recorded in 28 countries in 2016. At least 60 people who had been sentenced to death were exonerated in 9 countries in 2016:Bangladesh (4), China (5), Ghana (1), Kuwait (5), Mauritania (1), Nigeria (32), Sudan (9), Taiwan (1) and Viet Nam (2).

    Amnesty International recorded 3,117 death sentences in 55 countries in 2016, a significant increase on the total for 2015 (1,998 sentences in 61 countries). Significant increases were recorded in 12 countries, but for some, such as Thailand, the increase is due to the fact that the authorities provided Amnesty International with detailed information.

    At least 18,848 people were on death row at the end of 2016. The following methods of execution were used across the world: beheading, hanging, lethal injection and shooting. Public executions were carried out in Iran (at least 33) and North Korea.

    Reports indicated that at least two people who were under 18 at the time of the crime for which they were sentenced to death were executed in 2016 in Iran.

    In many countries where people were sentenced to death or executed, the proceedings did not meet international fair trial standards. In some cases this included the extraction of “confessions” through torture or other ill-treatment, including in Bahrain, China, Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Saudi Arabia.

    Regional analysis
    Americas

    For the 8th consecutive year, the USA was the only country to carry out executions in the Americas region with 20 people executed in 2016 (eight fewer than in 2015). This was the lowest number of executions recorded in a single year since 1991. This rate of executions is half that of 2007, a third that of 1997.

    Five states executed people in 2016 compared to six the previous year. The number of executions carried out in Georgia almost doubled compared to the previous year (from 5 to 9); while the figure almost halved in Texas (from 13 to 7). Together these two states were responsible for the 80% of all executions in the country during the year. However, 2,832 people were still on death row in the USA at the end of 2016.

    The number of death sentences in the USA also decreased from 52 in 2015 to 32 in 2016 (38% decrease). This is the lowest number recorded since 1973.
     
  17. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    Nice copypasta.Now, where is the part that covers that the United States is experimenting on humans with new death penalty techniques?
     
  18. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    True.... and this guy is not innocent.
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    Why should America experiment?

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    Yes, he gets...

    1. Communal showers, in which he gets a good chance of getting gang-raped
    2. Prison uniform, which will get washed once every two weeks if he's lucky.
    3. A toilet that he has to sit on in full view of anybody who wants to look into his cell.
    4. A bed only slightly better than the sort of cot even the military haven't used since Korea
    5. Food we probably wouldn't feed to a dog
    Yeah, sounds like a real vacation to me. :rolleyes:
     
  20. weckart macrumors 601

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    The fact that what I highlighted was plural and required a higher than average level of occurrence seems to belie the deterrent effect of capital punishment.

    Interesting article in the BBC on the last holdout in Europe for the death penalty

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43799280
     
  21. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    Sounds like a good life to live while having killed 5 people.
     
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    Has Florida run out of the barbiturates used in the death penalty?
     
  23. juanm macrumors 65816

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    Unbelievable! What's next, no death penalty for suicide bombers!?
     
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    If you wanted it to be a deterrent as you say you would need to have public executions, and insure that there is a sufficient amount of torture involved to scare the people who see it. But that would also run against the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment as well as you would have to accept the fact that there will be a high proportion of people executed who are actually innocent.
     
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    Have you seen what American prisons are like? They are hotels.

    There's a reason 99%+ of capital murderers prefer life in prison over death.
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    You watch too many movies.

    He will actually get:

    - Drugs (drugs are easier to get in prison than out)
    - Television
    - Internet
    - Conjugal visits + sex
    - Letters from fans and family
    - Visitation from fans and family

    etc. etc.

    You watch too much Shawshank Redemption.
     

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