No evidence of global warming? Oh really now?

R.Perez

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Disputed isle in Bay of Bengal disappears into sea

NEW DELHI – For nearly 30 years, India and Bangladesh have argued over control of a tiny rock island in the Bay of Bengal. Now rising sea levels have resolved the dispute for them: the island's gone.

New Moore Island in the Sunderbans has been completely submerged, said oceanographer Sugata Hazra, a professor at Jadavpur University in Calcutta. Its disappearance has been confirmed by satellite imagery and sea patrols, he said.

"What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming," said Hazra.

Scientists at the School of Oceanographic Studies at the university have noted an alarming increase in the rate at which sea levels have risen over the past decade in the Bay of Bengal.

Until 2000, the sea levels rose about 3 millimeters (0.12 inches) a year, but over the last decade they have been rising about 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) annually, he said.

Another nearby island, Lohachara, was submerged in 1996, forcing its inhabitants to move to the mainland, while almost half the land of Ghoramara island was underwater, he said. At least 10 other islands in the area were at risk as well, Hazra said.

"We will have ever larger numbers of people displaced from the Sunderbans as more island areas come under water," he said.

Bangladesh, a low-lying delta nation of 150 million people, is one of the countries worst-affected by global warming. Officials estimate 18 percent of Bangladesh's coastal area will be underwater and 20 million people will be displaced if sea levels rise 1 meter (3.3 feet) by 2050 as projected by some climate models.

India and Bangladesh both claimed the empty New Moore Island, which is about 3.5 kilometers (2 miles) long and 3 kilometers (1.5 miles) wide. Bangladesh referred to the island as South Talpatti.

There were no permanent structures on New Moore, but India sent some paramilitary soldiers to its rocky shores in 1981 to hoist its national flag.

The demarcation of the maritime boundary — and who controls the remaining islands — remains an open issue between the two South Asian neighbors, despite the disappearance of New Moore, said an official in India's foreign ministry, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on international disputes.

Bangladesh officials were not available for comment Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_sc/as_india_disappearing_island
 

renewed

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"What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming," said Hazra.
And people are worried about it. Look at that... not only does it allow you to go to the beaches earlier in the year, its diplomacy is unmatched. :p
 

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How long have we, as a civilazation been keeping accurate weather records? 200 maybe 300 years? Now think about 200 or 300 years in realtion to the billions of years Earth has been around. Hardly a blimp on the radar I'd say.

200 or 300 years of accurate record keeping hardly gives one the timeline needed to predict the future actions of a planet billions of years old. People who believe in global warming do not have nearly enough information on which to base their claims.
 

.Andy

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How long have we, as a civilazation been keeping accurate weather records? 200 maybe 300 years? Now think about 200 or 300 years in realtion to the billions of years Earth has been around. Hardly a blimp on the radar I'd say.

200 or 300 years of accurate record keeping hardly gives one the timeline needed to predict the future actions of a planet billions of years old. People who believe in global warming do not have nearly enough information on which to base their claims.
Wrap it up worldwide scientific community. It's been disproven right here. Thermometers are only a few hundred years old. I can't believe all you "scientists" tried to pull this over us.


edit: Next up: The world is only a few thousand years old because we only have documentary records from this time.
 

hulugu

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How long have we, as a civilazation been keeping accurate weather records? 200 maybe 300 years? Now think about 200 or 300 years in realtion to the billions of years Earth has been around. Hardly a blimp on the radar I'd say...
I agree, the issue is a blimp on the radar: a really big return and something we should pay attention to.
 

OutThere

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Wrap it up worldwide scientific community. It's been disproven right here. Thermometers are only a few hundred years old. I can't believe all you "scientists" tried to pull this over us.


edit: Next up: The world is only a few thousand years old because we only have documentary records from this time.
I agree, the issue is a blimp on the radar: a really big return and something we should pay attention to.
I actually just laughed out loud.
 

bobber205

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How long have we, as a civilazation been keeping accurate weather records? 200 maybe 300 years? Now think about 200 or 300 years in realtion to the billions of years Earth has been around. Hardly a blimp on the radar I'd say.

200 or 300 years of accurate record keeping hardly gives one the timeline needed to predict the future actions of a planet billions of years old. People who believe in global warming do not have nearly enough information on which to base their claims.
This statement is unbelievably ignorant.
 

rhsgolfer33

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You mean there are problems the world faces other than the United States' healthcare system?

Enlightening...
 

kernkraft

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How long have we, as a civilazation been keeping accurate weather records? 200 maybe 300 years? Now think about 200 or 300 years in realtion to the billions of years Earth has been around. Hardly a blimp on the radar I'd say.

200 or 300 years of accurate record keeping hardly gives one the timeline needed to predict the future actions of a planet billions of years old. People who believe in global warming do not have nearly enough information on which to base their claims.
I overlook formalities of your post... But I cannot overlook the fact that I will die before I reach 85 and the same applies to my kids. I couldn't care less about billions of years. I care about decades. As it looks now, even with some cynical consideration of the tedious eco-lobby, something is not right.
 

IntheNet

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Disputed isle in Bay of Bengal disappears into sea
Any chance Al Gore was on the island? ;) Listen, we all know sea levels fluctuate based on a variety of factors and it absurd to simply conclude that because some island in Bangladesh is more moist than normal that global warming is somehow now substantiated. Rather than worrying about some fictional climatic theory we should be concerned with real world famine in Bangladesh - I don't suppose the eco-researchers there offered to help the poor in Bangladesh did they? Or were they more interested in getting candid shots of said well-irrigated island? Moreover, last year was the coldest on record for China... are the global warming advocates figuring that into their data streams?

Perhaps you could tone down the combativeness a bit? Are we meant to discuss this or descend straight into culture wars rhetoric?
If this was an abstract theory I doubt folks would be as combative as they are about it; thing is, regrettably, some real decisions are being made based on this global warming theory and that has people truly concerned that their money is being wasted on fraudulent research. There are significant members of the scientific community who have exposed gaping holes in the theory of global warming. That, combined with recent well-documented instances of data fraud, indicate to the world that this "global warming" business is not yet ready for prime time and basing any policy on it is premature, whether or not far away islands in Bangladesh are wet or not!
 

.Andy

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Moreover, last year was the coldest on record for China...
Got a link or did you make this up?

are the global warming advocates figuring that into their data streams?
The scientists are - and short-term fluctuations are entirely predicted by climate change models. I'm not sure what the "advocates" are doing or indeed who they are.

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That, combined with recent well-documented instances of data fraud
Got another link here?
 

IntheNet

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Got a link or did you make this up?
I shouldn't have to provide what you can easily find yourself...

Siberian winds usher in record lows in Beijing
BEIJING - January 4, 2010 - The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/world/siberian-winds-usher-in-record-lows-in-beijing-20100103-lna6.html

China cold front moves south; record low in Beijing
Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:16:00 GMT - Earth Times
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/302335,china-cold-front-moves-south-record-low-in-beijing.html

Baby, It’s COLD Outside… Record Cold and Snow Across Globe
Vicki McClure Davidson on January 4, 2010
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/01/04/baby-its-cold-outside-record-cold-and-snow-across-globe/

China's cold wave takes hefty toll
February 02, 2008, Don Lee, Times Staff Writer
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/02/business/fi-chinasnow2

Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289

Global warming sceptics buoyed by record cold
Telegraph, Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles
26 Feb 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3326813/Global-warming-sceptics-buoyed-by-record-cold.html

Got another link here?
On global warming data fraud? You're kidding right? Do you just ignore a subject if the findings don't go your way?

UN global warming data skewed by heat from planes and buildings
Telegraph
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/climate-reports/6378-un-global-warming-data-skewed-by-heat-from-planes-and-buildings

Hackers 'expose global warming con'
Mail OnLine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229740/Hackers-expose-global-warming-Claims-leaked-emails-reveal-research-centre-massaged-temperature-data.html

Global Warming Fraud Exposed: The Bogus Scientific 'Consensus'
The American Spectator
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/20/global-warming-fraud-exposed-t

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming
Telegraph
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
 

.Andy

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I shouldn't have to provide what you can easily find yourself...
And your claim was;

Moreover, last year was the coldest on record for China...


Moreover, and therein;

Siberian winds usher in record lows in Beijing
BEIJING - January 4, 2010 - The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/world/siberian-winds-usher-in-record-lows-in-beijing-20100103-lna6.html
"Such temperatures are believed to be the coldest in the capital in 40 years."

China cold front moves south; record low in Beijing
Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:16:00 GMT - Earth Times
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/302335,china-cold-front-moves-south-record-low-in-beijing.html
"Heavy snow hit central China on Wednesday as a cold front continued to move south and brought a 38-year low"

Baby, It’s COLD Outside… Record Cold and Snow Across Globe
Vicki McClure Davidson on January 4, 2010
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/01/04/baby-its-cold-outside-record-cold-and-snow-across-globe/
Even this crappy blog is the same. 40 years.

China's cold wave takes hefty toll
February 02, 2008, Don Lee, Times Staff Writer
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/02/business/fi-chinasnow2
"The worst snowstorm in a half-century"

Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289
"Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966."


Global warming sceptics buoyed by record cold
Telegraph, Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles
26 Feb 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3326813/Global-warming-sceptics-buoyed-by-record-cold.html
"In some parts of China and central Asia, snow fell for the first time in living memory, the NCDC noted."


So your mindless google dump of links you didn't read yet again completely doesn't support your claims.


On global warming data fraud? You're kidding right? Do you just ignore a subject if the findings don't go your way?

UN global warming data skewed by heat from planes and buildings
Telegraph
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/climate-reports/6378-un-global-warming-data-skewed-by-heat-from-planes-and-buildings

Hackers 'expose global warming con'
Mail OnLine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229740/Hackers-expose-global-warming-Claims-leaked-emails-reveal-research-centre-massaged-temperature-data.html

Global Warming Fraud Exposed: The Bogus Scientific 'Consensus'
The American Spectator
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/20/global-warming-fraud-exposed-t

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming
Telegraph
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
Not ignoring anything. In case you've missed the memo the "climategate" emails amounted to naught. No fraud whatsoever. The Scientists have been completely cleared of any falsification of data in a number of investigations now. Nor does climate change revolve around any specific data set anyway. The only thing that stands is not complying with FOIAs made by climate deniers.
 

fivepoint

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Work with me on this one... :cool:

If global warming is proven, and it is also proven that humans have virtually nothing to do with it... should humans then actively try to end the warming? Should we work to stop-it/slow-it through atmosphere seeding, etc., or let 'nature' take it's course?
 

flopticalcube

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Work with me on this one... :cool:

If global warming is proven, and it is also proven that humans have virtually nothing to do with it... should humans then actively try to end the warming? Should we work to stop-it/slow-it through atmosphere seeding, etc., or let 'nature' take it's course?
If that were the case I would say no, let nature take its course. However, I think regardless of the cause we should continue to work towards minimizing our impact on the planet.
 

leekohler

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Work with me on this one... :cool:

If global warming is proven, and it is also proven that humans have virtually nothing to do with it... should humans then actively try to end the warming? Should we work to stop-it/slow-it through atmosphere seeding, etc., or let 'nature' take it's course?
I guess that depends on whether we want to continue as a species.
 

Schtumple

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I guess that depends on whether we want to continue as a species.
Exactly, surely it makes sense to at least attempt to slow global warming so society can continue...

Or is it just because it's so far away (and most of us will be dead before it's an actual huge environmental issue), that we simply don't care?

I'd love to know how future generations will look back, either calling us smart for not believing the "global warming myth", or, utter morons for not acting whilst we still had a chance...
 

CHAOS STEP

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Regardless of whether you believe climate change is affected by man or not, surely it makes common sense to use less natural resources?

You can argue all you like whether or not the exhaust of a Hummer causes the icecaps to blow up or whatever, but that isn't going to change that;

1) Natural resources are finite.

2) Having loads of smog in cities, caused by exhaust fumes, factory fumes whatever aren't much good for your health.

So what would you suggest with regards to managing the worlds resources responsibly - let me take a guess and speculate that all those on the side of 'global warming is a conspiracy' haven't got anything constructive to say about this.

There is less to lose getting 'scammed' by ecologists, because we'll be able to conserve what we have an perhaps have cleaner air to breathe and all that jazz.
 

That-Is-Bull

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If global warming is proven, and it is also proven that humans have virtually nothing to do with it... should humans then actively try to end the warming? Should we work to stop-it/slow-it through atmosphere seeding, etc., or let 'nature' take it's course?
Of course we should try to stop/slow it. Nature isn't a living being, it doesn't give a **** what we do, so why not try to save our species?
 

AP_piano295

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Regardless of whether you believe climate change is affected by man or not, surely it makes common sense to use less natural resources?

You can argue all you like whether or not the exhaust of a Hummer causes the icecaps to blow up or whatever, but that isn't going to change that;

1) Natural resources are finite.

2) Having loads of smog in cities, caused by exhaust fumes, factory fumes whatever aren't much good for your health.

So what would you suggest with regards to managing the worlds resources responsibly - let me take a guess and speculate that all those on the side of 'global warming is a conspiracy' haven't got anything constructive to say about this.

There is less to lose getting 'scammed' by ecologists, because we'll be able to conserve what we have an perhaps have cleaner air to breathe and all that jazz.
exactly: Everything we need to do to theoretically slow man made global warming is something we really should be doing regardless of the causes of global warming.

-->Fossil fuels release tons of polluntants when burned
-->The realatively clean ones are running out and we need to develope ways to live w/o them.
-->Mining for coal...well thats bad
-->Developing green tech will be great for our ecconomy a capitalist nation thrives on change and we've been stagnant for too long.