North Korea executes uncle of leader Kim Jong Un

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  1. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Don't get on Dr. Evil's bad side. :eek:

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...cutes-uncle-of-leader-kim-jong-un-report?lite
     
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    I caught this via HuffPo and AP push notifications to my phone. Shocking, and speechless.

    It makes you wonder how related this is to that American war vet who was detained in DPRK and just recently released. It is almost too close to be coincidence, but it does get questions floating around in the back of people's heads..

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    Dr. Evil apparently likes killing his own family, or trying to. He tried to have his eldest brother killed, twice. I don't think much will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if something did happen. This is an incredibly volatile situation, and the hallmarks of a major purge about to happen seem to be on the horizon, especially if the boy-prince's uncle was developing a power base of his own.

    The reason he tried to have his brother killed, his brother thought North Korea needed reform, would collapse because of the reform, and his brother would be ousted.

    The uncle was China's man and kept the two countries tight. I wonder just how bad Chino-Korean relations will become after this.
     
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    If we were to take out baby Un and or the govenrmment there would we be able to salvage the country or would it turn into a train wreck. Could normal leadership rise from within or is it already a lost cause?
     
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    Good question, because it definitely is going to cause some major issues with China, who would basically be their only ally outside of Dennis Rodman. The bigger question here is would the execution of a ruler's blood relative provide enough shock and awe to bring about unrest in DPRK? If so, I would suspect a civil war here to break out.

    Otherwise things are going to get pretty hairy north of the 38th parallel.

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    And China's only their ally because they don't want millions of starving refugees to come streaming across their border in the event of a war/regime collapse/etc.
     
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    I have always assumed that the people there are afraid of the government and just go along with it so as not to be killed. Or have they been brainwashed for so long that they think it is normal and don't have a problem with any of it.

    Would South Korea, hypothetically be able to save the north? As in the wall is gone and South Korea runs it like a full country again. Or would there be push back from the northerners?
     
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    There would be so much turmoil in the government, that the North could be nearly nonexistent.

    Culturally, there would be so much culture shock here that it would be hard to know what would happen.

    Think about it: in a few short months, an entire society would be advanced technologically nearly 60 years. That would be quite a shock.

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    I think North Koreans are brainwashed at levels that the likes of Mubarak, Gadaffi and al-Assad could only dream of and I don't envision there ever being an Arab Spring-type revolution in NK. They are entirely cut off from the outside world, North Koreans don't even know a better way of life exists. They're taught that famine, rolling blackouts, piss poor living conditions, concentration camps and summary executions are normal - and it's a lot worse in the US, South Korea and the rest of the modern world.

    I don't even know how the North Koreans would react if another country came in and ousted Lil Kim and his regime. They're taught that the Kims are deities and they might resist any attempt at liberation because they simply don't know any other way.
     
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    As an fyi the uncle was related by marriage, not blood (he was married to lil kim's aunt).



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    I think the South Korean government should have some measure of control over North Korea, but I think it better that North Korea reach a threshold of prosperity before Korea can reunite. The people there will be going through a major culture shock, and I think it best to reform the country slowly rather than make myriad changes immediately. Too much change could see the people shellshocked and resistant.

    I think North Korea can be prosperous with the right leaders, the question is though... do they exist?
     
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    I stand corrected. Thanks for this. The next question to ask would be:

    Who ordered the execution? If it were Kim, this could get nasty inside the family. That type of infighting would make Noel and Liam Gallagher look like the Brady Bunch.

    Definitely would be best to stay out of it and see what happens.

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    Yes I think it goes far beyond brainwashing.

    But you can't brainwash away hunger and a miserable existence. There are North Koreans who have managed to escape (or are killed on sight for trying, or sent back by China). There is even an underground railroad of sorts to help them.

    Here is a little bit from one:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...th-korean-defector-tells-his-inspiring-story/



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    or even more likely, this has something to do with a certain 'secret' trip of the President to Hawaii over thanksgiving to meet with North Korean High Officials
     
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    That doesn't sound like an attempt to "overthrow the state."

    That sounds like an attempt to have a really good time.
     
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    The subject on digg was...

    "Kim Jong Un Executed His Uncle"

    This guy must be a God to be able to un execute people!
     
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    corruption, womanizing and drug-taking...

    We usually call these types of people Mayor/Senator/Congressman, and we don't shoot them, we let Vivid offer them lucrative porn contracts.

    And if you can swing 2 out of the 3, we will call you Charlie Sheen.
     
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    You can't brainwash it away, but you can convince them that it's normal, and their situation might be bad, but it's even worse in every other country.

    I remember reading a story about some students from Russia who came to the US during the Cold War, visited a grocery store and thought it was a fake set up to impress them because they were brainwashed into thinking that even though they had it bad in the USSR, they were better off than everyone else in the world and there was no way this grocery store was real.

    The North Koreans have no access to international media, no access to the internet, no access to the outside world, period. If dear leader tells his people that everyone in the US is starving worse than they are, they'll never find out it's a complete lie.
     
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    Years ago I thought they had a fairly brief meeting with families north and south. Any way for outside information to get passed? Does the north have some kind of idea what the outside is doing.
     
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    Somewhere in America Bill Clinton is thanking the almighty for being an American.
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me if the families from the north were immediately sent to a gulag for "re-education" before they could share anything they learned about the real world.
     
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    Well, this will certainly make Christmas dinner at the Un house awkward.
     
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    Upside: One less Christmas card to write. :)

    Joking aside, I'd love to know whether junior's uncle posed a genuine threat or if Un is just going off the rails.
     
  25. hafr macrumors 68030

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    Not to play the devil's advocate, or give the all clear for treating people however you want, but please do know that for instance Gadaffi had pretty much the world's most advanced and generous social security system. Young couple got married? Here's a house, cash, car, on the government. Unemployed? Take our money. Old? Swim in it. My personal guess is it was part out of love of his people, part to bribe them to turn a blind eye to his treatment of those who dared question him... And Mubarak did basically nothing but good his first ten-fifteen years, and no matter what you think of him - he did an amazing job keeping islamic extremists at bay.

    (I don't know that much of Al-Assad so I won't say anything about him ;))

    Basically, it's not at all strange that these arab dictators had and have a huge following and people who support them.

    But NK though... I mean, they're getting fudge packed the same way nay sayers did in the arab countries, but they're getting nothing positive out of it. I honestly can't see why anyone would follow their leader(s) unless they're brainwashed (lied to, ignorant, whatever)...

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    North Korea has ambassadors and such in the western world, so there definitely are people who "know". Although I'd assume they're only letting the most robotic people do these things...
     

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