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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by mac-er, Sep 18, 2005.
About 12:45 AM Eastern, CNN is reporting that North Korea will abandon its nuclear program.
That's awesome. A step towards stability in Asia is a big bonus. It was bound to happen as China was pressuring them as well.
Their web team must be alseep because they haven't updated that yet.
Also, North Korea agrees to stop being communist.
I give them six months before they start up again. The North Korean government is crazy.
North Korea Pledges to Give Up Nuclear Weapons Program
Wow, that's great news!
I feel odd though - I've become such a cynical guy the past few years, that I'm trying to read bewtween the lines to find a catch.
Of course, this is what they are saying, not necessarily what they are doing...
It seems hopeful.
Let's all hope for peace in the world.
well i hope the mean it
this goes to show you this is what we could have done in iraq to get rid of those WMD( thats were not there)
oh you realist.. Nah, it's possible. I mean it wont happen overnight, but i can see drastic changes coming to N. Korea...Maybe Kimmie baby's getting more peaceful in his old age .
You assume they really stopped...
I was gonna say, I assume there will be provisions for someone to monitor their activity... and let's not forget that they might have just dug a deeper cave somewhere else in order to continue their activity.
I wouldn't trust Kim Jong-Il any further than I could throw his big fat ass. "Hans Brix! Hans Brix!"
I'm afraid I'm looking for the catch too... I can't imagine the original Dear Leader thinks the US is in a stronger position now than we were two years ago. So why the renewed interest in multi-party talks? Hiding something are we?
This deal looks strangely similar to the one worked out by the Clinton Administration, the one North Korea abandoned when it suited their interests. The key as always is verifiability. Maybe more has been accomplished on this score than previously, but that certainly remains to be seen.
I'll admit to being a little suspicious of the timing of this announcement, which seems to come at the very moment when Bush needs a victory of some kind, any kind. If this agreement turns out to be a half-baked half-measure, then I think we'll know how and why it came to be.
NK are total liars, they lied to Clinton and now they have lied to Bush...
I was going to say, they have played past administrations and im sure they are keeping a eye on the fact Bush will be gone in 3 years. I wonder if this agreement is worth the paper its printed on? they arent trustworthy but after 5 years of Bush and Congress i could say the same about them.
Its a good first step lets hope its true and not spin from the North Koreans.
I think we should all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya"
Off topic - Happy belated birthday mac. I just checked your post count(!) and saw that our birthdays are one day apart.
Thank you sir! Hope yours was enjoyable as well. I had quite a headache the morning after mine...
I wonder if this has anything to do with the continued financial success of China, which NKorea looks up to, literally. If Kim can get economic benefits packages for being a good boy and taking down his reactors, he can turn his whole country around financially in just a few years-much like what China has accomplished.
After all these years, world leaders may finally realize that money does in fact makes the world go 'round.
UN already pushing on N.Korea to let inspectors in
Shades of Neville Chamberlain! Appeasement! Appeasement!
OK, not really, but I just had to say it because none of the folks we both were arguing with last year are going to dare say anything against this with Bush's signature on it. This looks exactly like what the Clinton administration worked out and was torpedoed by the GOP Congress for "appeasing" the North Koreans. Maybe someone in the administration figured out that they can't really invade North Korea right now, so just maybe a deal they could have had two or three years ago might be a better alternative to letting Kim continue building nuclear weapons.
Well it does seem to be a downright Clintonian agreement. It even seems to include a promise to discuss providing North Korea with light water reactors. Mark one in the loss column for the neocons!
Put me down as suspicious as everyone else. Good news like this, while appreciated, doesn't come for no reason...certainly not out of the sudden beneficence of Kim Jong-il.