Note to researchers: CD's are dead no matter what the format. (Music, DVD's, Blu-Ray) I have a blu-ray player and I hardly use it. I rip all own movies or download them from Amazon or iTunes and have them in a digital format. No more disks for me and I think it is not long before they disappear.
Link: Note to Apple: Blu-ray is catching on
Description:: New research from The NPD Group shows that Blu-ray is, indeed, catching on. Which, it seems to me, shows that Apple is making a mistake in ignoring the technology.
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Because there is nowhere to download a movie with the video and audio quality afforded by Blu-ray. Movies are still meant to be seen on a big screen and inferior video quality is much more noticeable than inferior audio.
That's what I said in the late 90's when I stopped using cash completely in favor of cards. Later, to my amazement, I discovered that not everyone is like me. Even later, I realized that the whole "X is so dead because I'm using Y" schtick makes people look even lamer than the ones who use X.
You can't compare the sale of a full-fledged product like a computer with the sale of a freakin' movie... never mind the best-selling movie of all time.It's funny, when the iPad sells 1 million units in a month that's a big success. Yeah, I agree with that, it is.
The initial bare-bones edition of Avatar just sold 4 million copies on Blu-ray in 10 days.
We don't need to rehearse all the arguments that are in numerous threads already. Blu-ray is continuing to grow in adoption and Apple should have given its customers the option by now. If you aren't interested that's fine, but stop acting like no-one else is.
And Steve Jobs is just a big old hypocrite while Apple are on the Blu-ray Association's Board and whilst having a position at Disney - who are selling loads of (very good) Blu-rays that will play more easily on his rival's products that his own for no good reason. The situation is a sad, unfunny farce.
What about the people who own that nice 50in TV with a bluRay player who travel from time to time. Should they have to buy a DVD copy of their movies as well so they can watch them on the road? Or if their TV is being used for something else and they want to go watch a movie on their computer? Can not play a Blu-Ray movie on a normal DVD drive. It is not always about the higher quality on the uses of if.You can't compare the sale of a full-fledged product like a computer with the sale of a freakin' movie... never mind the best-selling movie of all time.
Yes, blu-ray is continuing to grow and Apple knows this. This isn't the premise for Apple excluding it from their products. The premise is that blu-ray and DVD are hardly distinguishable on 20" lcds... many of which can't play 1080p content natively anyway.
The point is blu-ray is meant for larger screens. And the main systems feeding larger screens are largely absent a blu-ray drive (with the exception of the PS3) such as media drives, HTPCs, DVRs, AppleTVs, etc... most of those systems are simply boxed hard drives with added capability to display 1080p content. Otherwise a blu-ray player is much cheaper (and in some cases almost as capable) as a media drive.
It doesn't make sense to add it to a computer where OSs are compressed onto cheaper DVDs, updates are done via fast internet connections, and where the majority of media is purely digital anyway.
It isn't a missed opportunity for Apple; it is just that most computer users that they target HAVE big screen TVs and it doesn't make sense to put a blu-ray player into a computer to watch it when you've got 50" TVs in the house.
At the very least, I think the strategy for holding off isn't a terrible one... nobody is really ripping blu-rays for home use (i.e. from their video cameras, etc.) as that is mainly done via digital sharing now. So, the motivation to provide that capability isn't really there either. If nothing else, an implementation later on will just ensure cheaper drives.
To me though, it still doesn't make much sense... this is appealing pretty much only for those where their computer monitor is their sole source of entertainment.
That is true, but most Blu-Ray movie titles come with a DVD and/or Digital Copy that can be used on computers, so it isn't like you have to buy two copies...What about the people who own that nice 50in TV with a bluRay player who travel from time to time. Should they have to buy a DVD copy of their movies as well so they can watch them on the road? Or if their TV is being used for something else and they want to go watch a movie on their computer? Can not play a Blu-Ray movie on a normal DVD drive. It is not always about the higher quality on the uses of if.
Hell I can add on laptops is I have hook laptops up to my TV to play movies threw the laptop to the TV. If I had a bluRay in my laptop and a movie I would just hook the laptop up to the TV and go from there.
I know when I travel I tend to grab some of my DVDs to watch them. Now I do not own a BluRay player for my TV yet so not an issue but I do plan on getting one at some point.
Well, yes, I think I just did.You can't compare the sale of a full-fledged product like a computer with the sale of a freakin' movie... never mind the best-selling movie of all time.
Exactly. People can. not. comprehend. sales. data.Really.
Then why were Blu-ray sales for the first two months of this year higher than digital downloads for the whole of 2009?
Excellent point! Even the best internet pales in comparison of bandwidth to that of current external local data transfer (USB and Firewire), which pales in comparison to the bandwidth of internal local data transfer (SATA etc.). Wait till LightPeak comes out. With current and near future tech, it will always be easier and faster downloading, uploading, storing, and using data locally than from the cloud.I would not be surprised in the next 10 years to see just the OS be 20+ gigs in size by itself Lets not for get how long it would take to download a 10-20 gig file. 4 gigs takes a little while to download.
When you actually own a physical copy of the data, the DRM doesnt cripple you. You can store it, transfer to a new computer, and even sell it. Try selling someone your used iTunes MP3s, even the DRM-free ones. You think Apple will let you do that? Or the government?Oh. And NOBODY wants a movie file that's crippled by DRM.
You say discs have no reason to exist, yet your comments preceding explain why they do. Simply put, they are cheaper. Pressing a 20 GB Blu-Ray is mere cents, and it can be sold for much more. [So Apple wins.] But when you have to download your software, you need to pay for the software (same price without physical copy) and the increased internet connection necessary. And what happens if you lose connection. [So You lose.] Why argue for what costs you more?Apple doesn't make money on Blu-ray discs sold; Apple makes money on movies downloaded from iTunes. Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, knows that it's not in Apple's best interest to include Blu-ray drives in Apple's computers, or did anyone actually buy the "bag of hurt" excuse?
I've never bought a Blu-ray disc and never will. They have little raison d'être.
Logic speaks the truth. Very well said.When you actually own a physical copy of the data, the DRM doesn’t cripple you. You can store it, transfer to a new computer, and even sell it. Try selling someone your used iTunes MP3s, even the DRM-free ones. You think Apple will let you do that? Or the government?
Just because an assertion is repeated doesn't mean it becomes any better. Media sales will always eclipse the sales of products meant to play them. Let me know when TVs outsell the number of movies/tv shows/commercials that play on them... it isn't ever going to happen. Much like you'll always buy more gallons of gas than actual cars. You should have compared either sales of blu-ray players to things like PMPs, iPads, etc. or blu-ray movies to digital movie sales.Well, yes, I think I just did.
I can't be bothered to rehash several other threads again, go MRoogle my posts if you want. Suffice to say Blu-ray is doing fine, there are plenty of people who want it supported properly on the mac.
Now please set your display's resolution to 640x480, because it looks the same as 1920x1080 doesn't it?
It sure would be nice to be able to stick my blu-ray disks in my laptop to rip and encode for my smaller devices. Out of the 50 or blu-ray movies I own, fewer than ten came with a DVD or a digital copy.Now we want to watch "Avatar" on our phones, computers, TVs AND media players... Blu-Rays can't physically be played on half of those and there isn't much of a case for trying to go that way.