Now it's a Koch company telling its employees to vote for Romney

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Last week it was the owner of Westgate Reports. Now workers at paper company ASG are being warned of the supposedly dire straits awaiting them if they don't vote for Romney.

    My emphasis.

    Aside from being total, er, ah, malarkey...this shows increasing desperation on the part of Romney and the right. How dare they tell you who to vote for...however couched it is in the guise of "information" or "advice"?

    And no, it is not okay for government agencies and/or Democrats to do it either.

    I can see this being the beginnings of a breakdown in the electoral process. If companies start getting away with this, next election they'll push the verbiage even further. It would be an insidious new form of intimidation entering into the election process.
     
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  3. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    No -- I just wanted to quote a news website, not Fox.

    Nor did that news "slip by my hawkish eyes"...it's contained in the article I posted.

    How's your eyesight?
     
  4. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    A former company I worked for has the president do some **** like this. Mind you it was from our monthly meeting and the president put on a little bit on how what Obama wanted would hurt the companies bottom line (which in turn would mean smaller bonuses for us) I felt that was wrong.

    Now the president of the current company I work for it is no secret that the president is a Republican and backs Tea Party candidate but at the same token he does keep it pretty quite at the office. His car has a bumper sticker on it and there is a sign for a local GOP guy on the company land but it is on the edge and as far away from the building on a completely different lot.

    In all my time at the company I only heard him talk about the guy once and in that case it was an relating to an example that had nothing to do with politics or the guys position.

    The current president I like how he does things. He does not press his beliefs or wants on us at all.
     
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    I don't really see a problem with private sector businesses advocating in terms of politics. With that said, it sounds like these companies are beginning to cross the line of advocating versus coercion because it is creating an obligation for them to support their company, which I do see a problem with.
     
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    If you follow this link, the article in question turns out to be about budget projections earlier in the year. This is a curious case because it sounds prudent to discuss different budget possibilities, but, perhaps not to openly discuss which party is proposing them.
     
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    As usual, someone comes up with an obscure case and tries to make some equivalence. There are a couple of problems here.

    First, there's no evidence that the FAA official made these comments. Unlike the letter above, the closest we have is a email "recalling" the conversation.

    Second, there's a marked difference between the FAA official and the Koch company letter. The first is an opinion from an "official", but the second also acts as an implicit threat. And, there's probably more truth from the FAA official that the agency could suffer cuts and that would lead to layoffs.

    Third, the FAA official could be prosecuted under the Hatch Act, meanwhile the Koch's get away scott free.

    The equivalency is there, but it's pretty thin.
     
  8. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I don't see any problem with this, I do see an issue with the coercion that seems to be happening in some companies in the US.
     
  9. Heilage macrumors 68030

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    This is getting a bit silly. Do these company presidents actually believe this?

    What, the state is going go appropriate corporations/companies now?
     
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    You will be assimilated, and you WILL like it... :D
     
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    I hope somebody is keeping an online list of employers/companies that pressure their workers to vote for one party or another ... so I can be sure to boycott them.

    The arrogance of the managerial class... :rolleyes::eek::mad:
     
  12. jeremy h macrumors 6502

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    Wow, here this would be a marketing / PR suicide for the company.

    Leaving aside newspapers and their proprietors (who do try and influence everything) just about every company here tries desperately hard not to publicly influence things for fear of being on the loosing side - and ending up in the winning politicians little black books under the "Possible Special Tax" column. (With their company name in caps and double underlined.)

    Anyway, I would have thought it would have had the complete opposite effect - if a fat, overpaid, underemployed managing director told me how to vote I would absolutely make sure I voted the other way (even if I agreed with him.)
     
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    What a joke of a CEO. I thought these guys were supposed to be strong, fearless, invincible Titans. They certainly pay themselves as if they were.

    Did these flabby executives somehow forget that they're supposed to be able to take whatever he world throws at them and turn it into an opportunity to make money? Sounds like this one's lost his mojo and is running scared.
     
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    What's is surprising to me, is that some people find this shocking, yet it comes from <1%'ers. :p
     
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    Try Cottonelle instead. ;)

    Kimberley-Clark.
     
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    Is it septic tank safe? I will.
     
  19. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Yeah I do not have an issue with the current company or president because he is making a point to avoid pushing us on how to vote.
    It is sad but we now need a law to prevent these type of action. What Koch is doing is not free speech at all.
     
  20. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Well I will do my best to avoid those products. Sadly they have some stuff I need/use that there is no real good alternative
     
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    Thank you for that website link. I have seen list before, but none as comprehensive as this one is. Much appreciated.
     
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    According to the Cottenelle FAQ, yes. But it should also say it on the package as well.
     
  23. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    You are a mean and cruel son-of-an-unwed-mother! Do you not realize that the Koch brothers are victims? The whole world is lining up against them, and all they have for defense is their PR consultant, Rich Fink. Looks like about time to start supporting the underdogs for a change.

    [/snark]
     
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  25. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Never really used any of them here or on the list, and now, never will. Thanks.

    Good luck with that. They don't let people under 21 (physical, acting like, or otherwise) into their casino.

    On a personal note, I know Steve Wynn personally. His ideologies have changed dramatically since he started to make his money with the Mirage, Treasure Island, and Bellagio. And there are a lot of bitter people in Las Vegas who lost their jobs because of him buying the Desert Inn Hotel/Casino for a birthday present for his wife.

    So by all means, stay at a casino owned by someone who put a good 1000 - 2000 people out of work over the course of the first and second recession of the 2000s. Amazing how now you support two Job Killers in this country.

    BL.
     

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