NRA is really an organization to vet conservative politicians, using firearms as a proxy.

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  1. PracticalMac, Mar 25, 2018
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    NRA is really an organization to vet conservative politicians, using firearms as a proxy.

    That is the take away I get when I look at a recent actions and letters by its leader Wayne LaPierre raising McCarthyism fear mongering with his "Democrats are Communist" rhetoric.

    The grade the NRA-PFV PAC lumps the vast majority as virtual political criminals, while only 3 do not make the "A" grade (regional view of same).

    When one Florida Republican suddenly started talking about serious gun control legislation he was seen not as defying the NRA, but a "blue hawk" a complete back stabbing traitor against all Republicans.

    In short, the NRA=Republicans=NRA.
    (the linkage is very strong)


    EDIT March 26:
    I am taking only the organization and PAC, not the membership.
    Members have other valid reasons to be in NRA, not just for politics.
     
  2. raqball macrumors 68000

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    In your mind perhaps.. I am an independent and also an NRA member.. Opppss.. There goes that theory out the window..
     
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    I’ve noticed a lot of self-identified independents who only vote for the GOP. The brand is toxic, that’s why you get people claiming to be independents.
     
  4. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Really? If you say so but nice attempt to discredit anyone who is not a democrat... Yawn....

    My recent voting history was 2 votes (R) and 2 votes (D).. I vote for whom I think will do the best job. Perhaps instead of towing a party line others should do the same?
     
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    No **** Sherlock, Republicans are strong supporters of the second amendment so obviously the National RIFLE Association will lean conservative. There are also plenty of anti-gun groups that are nothing more than left wing mouthpieces. It works both ways.
     
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    NRA takes things to the extreme. I guess I just don't get why we can't regulate more the actual type of firearms you can get and the age as well. I support the second amendment but I also feel there would be a age limit on something as deadly as a gun/rifle

    There is nothing wrong with adjusting things.
     
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    The thing a very significant percentage of fire arms used in various crimes were either not obtained by legal means or were legally purchased by individuals of legal age. For example, the drinking age is 21, but any college freshman can easily obtain alcohol.
     
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    I get that but you still need the laws. What's so wrong with allowing people to mature a little more before allowing them a firearm. We put a age on driving, tobacco, etc....

    Will people still do it yes but it does help
     
  10. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Did I say members?
    Let me see....ummmm, no...., note, did not say the anything about membership.....
    Just NRA Org and NRA-PVC, neither are the members.

    It is interesting you are offended even though I did not refer to you, the membership at large.

    Let me ask, how much say do you have to NRA? If you tell them not to grade politicians, or tell them you think this democrat deserves an A grade, would they listen and do your request??
     
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    Who said I was offended? Can you quote me saying I was please or is this just a failed attempt to discredit someone based on false information?

    Sounds to me, based on what you just said, that you are the one who was offended because someone did not agree with you.. Odd indeed..
     
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    As the Democratic National Party has put "gun control" as a party platform, it is part of the litmus test to be in the party.

    What do you expect the NRA to do?

    Should the NRA betray it's membership?

    Now to be fair, the Republican National Party has made anti "gun control" a party platform, and it part of the litmus test to be in the party.

    Given these things, who would you expect the NRA to side with?
     
  13. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030

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    ". Opppss.." Verbal equivalent of rolling eyes in offense.
    And again you defending yourself, when it is not about you (and I do not recognize you are PRSI regular either)

    I do not care if you have over 100 various guns, an AN-M2 Browning (NFA registered) , Thompson .45, or what ever tickles your fancy.

    @DearthnVader above made totally salient and thoughtful reply.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 25, 2018 ---
    Great questions.

    It is not about the NRA defending the RTBA, it is the fear mongering the NRA is doing with their Democrat = Socialist/Communist boogeyman rhetoric. There are a lot of left leaning 2A people.

    NRA's suggestion for these mass shooting acts is getting more people armed (it does have some limited value), but does not seen to suggest that some people should not be armed (mentally ill, suicidal), even those on terrorists watch lists despite Ft Hood, San Bernadino, and Pulse Nightclub.

    The fact that many polls of NRA members approximating 60% of NRA membership total wanting tighter background checks but NRA resisting that is also a membership disconnect.

    So what I am concluding is the NRA is putting more effort to hard right politics than an actual improving the safety.


    I am a long time member of AOPA, and they too are conservative, facing threats from left. However they actively court both sides and are not hesitant to work with left to counter an unfavorable actions from right. They also educate freshmen congressmen about their work and why.
    In many ways AOPA like NRA offers a bastion of freedom in US that other countries have also highly restricted.
     
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    I really think people tend to overstate the power the NRA has. There are far more influential lobbying groups that spend much more on advertising and direct campaign contributions than the NRA. The real power the NRA has is that of their members and even non-members, who are largely single issue voters that have been able to swing elections. I'm not sure many politicians fear the NRA funding their opponents campaign, rather they fear the people they represent (or hope to) showing up at the booth to vote for the other guy solely because they don't want to further restrict firearms.
     
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    I've never owned a gun, and most probably never will own a gun because I don't like them. That said, if a politician ran on the idea of more and more restrictions, regulations, and removal of people's personal property (in this case, their guns), I'd absolutely vote against that person. The government is supposed to serve the people, not control them.
     
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    Or perhaps you do not understand the NRA as well as you think you do.
     
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    We're talking strategy here, tho it has to be said that the NRA receives a lot of money from Firearm manufactures and wholesalers. So they have to try and balance what those groups want vs. what they can get their rank and file members to buy into to win votes.

    Say what you will about gun nutz, we get out and vote, and we are willing to eat a lot of crap sandwiches just to protect our gun rights. If the Democratic party would take a more reasoned approach to regulation you'd likely see us rank and file members shift.

    I can only speak for myself, personally, but I hate having to vote Republican just to protect my gun rights. The last election is the only time I ever pulled the lever for a Republican, but I look at how Democrats act on gun control in the states and cities they control, and I have no trust that they are not after an all out ban on most firearms.

    I won't even vote for any Democrat anymore, I have lost all faith in the party, even a moderate like Joe Manchin, sure he is going to vote to get re-elected and isn't going to vote for a "ban" if it's safe for the bill to pass without his vote, but if it comes down to his vote being a deciding factor, I just don't think he'll vote any way the party doesn't want him to vote.

    Right now, I just think that Democrats have embraced the hope they can get a Supreme Court ruling that flies in the face of the 2nd, that they can "reinterpret" what it means.

    That's just a bridge too far for me, it means the same thing it has always meant, and unless it is amended, it will continue to mean what it says in plain English.

    Further, our rights, both enumerated and unenumerated do not emanate from a legal piece of paper, they are natural rights, they are both inalienable and self evident.

    While governments can pass laws to try and suppress our rights, such as they did with the 18th amendment, it will always end in disaster.
     
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    Not only Republican, but no inconvenient gun regulation Republicans.
     
  19. raqball macrumors 68000

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    I'm sorry, did I make a posting that describes the NRA and my understanding of them in great detail? My post that you quoted said absolutely nothing of the sort. My comment was in response to the comment of --> NRA=Republicans=NRA

    I am. not a republican and am a member of the NRA Another poster said they were a democrat and a member of the NRA. Does that poster not understand as well? What about the others who said they were NRA members? Them as well?

    Aside from that, what exactly would you like me to 'understand' about the NRA?
     
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    That it seems to be a magnet for those who support right-wing views. There are other gun-ownership groups that are less partisan.
     
  21. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Besides the obvious talking to Dems about the fallacy of banning "assault weapons" and other emotional reactions, the NRA also needs to be smarter.

    The "status quo" NRA response is no longer feasible.
    The major flaw with the "good guy with gun" is even the most mentally ready defender will never be faster than someone already committed and geared to do harm. The element of surprise is soundly with the attacker.

    IMHO there are a number of policies that the NRA could agree on that will maintain overall 2A rights but reduce chance of mass shootings.

    The NRA's one and only stance of putting more guns on streets simply harms the NRA and in long run undermines efforts to defend 2A.
    I predict the growing and sustained anti-gun force will become strong enough to cause politicians to for in gun-control laws.
    And I do not see #45 as a big gun man, I bet he will vote in those gun control laws.
     
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    They should also find a way to not threaten candidates...

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