NYC Police Commissioner on 9/11, Bernard Kerik, confirms Trump's statements of numerous celebrations


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I remember the celebrations, and also saw some celebrating at JFK. Celebrators were also seen on rooftops in the news at that time.

Can't say why MSM news will not release videos of those celebrations, and now deny them.. wonder why.
 

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I remember the celebrations, and also saw some celebrating at JFK. Celebrators were also seen on rooftops in the news at that time.

Can't say why MSM news will not release videos of those celebrations, and now deny them.. wonder why.
Probably three people did it. I can believe that. Maybe there was some noisy sex too. Maybe you misremember.
 

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Probably three people did it. I can believe that. Maybe there was some noisy sex too. Maybe you misremember.
Maybe you only remember what you want to remember..but in the UK, BBC..., can't really in good faith criticize your memory.
 

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What does the NYC police commissioner know about New Jersey? Wasn't this guy a little preoccupied on 9/11? Something tells me he didn't have time that day to go cruising around New Jersey that morning.

I remember the celebrations, and also saw some celebrating at JFK. Celebrators were also seen on rooftops in the news at that time.

Can't say why MSM news will not release videos of those celebrations, and now deny them.. wonder why.
Hahahaha. We have this little thing called YouTube now. Post the video if you've seen it. You don't need NBC to do it for you if this video exists and is as prevalent as you claim.
 

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It doesn't seem so far fetched as far as 'merica goes. People protest and celebrate all sorts of ****.

Even of people did or didn't celebrate 9/11, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!? THESE PEOPLE ARE DEAD!
 

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Wasn't as quick and easy to make videos then. Imagine 9/11 in the age of the iphone.
Photography did exist however. As did home video cameras as did iMovie.

You're talking about something that happened in one of the richest and most important cities in the world and no one had a camera that showed this? Yeah right.

For gods sake there's video footage from home video cameras of the JFK assassination and that was in the 60s.
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Maybe you only remember what you want to remember..but in the UK, BBC..., can't really in good faith criticize your memory.
My story is at least plausible.
 

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There has been a study of 'flashbulb' memories of 9/11. They're shockingly inaccurate. Think about it: a great deal of information, misinformation, and shock is attached to that day. We all probably have some false memories about what happened. One person's memories are not enough. I do not recall seeing any Muslim celebrations other than the West Bank, but I do recall that a Sikh was murdered shortly after 9/11 because dumbass attackers thought he was Muslim. I also remember the smugness of a handful of British that the US had experienced a comeuppance, but mostly there was considerable sympathy and compassion.

In any case, who cares what Trump says?
 
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There has been a study of 'flashbulb' memories of 9/11. They're shockingly inaccurate. Think about it: a great deal of information, misinformation, and shock is attached to that day. We all probably have some false memories about what happened. One person's memories are not enough. I do not recall seeing any Muslim celebrations other than the West Bank, but I do recall that a Sikh was murdered shortly after 9/11 because dumbass attackers thought he was Muslim. I also remember the smugness of a handful of British that the US had experienced a comeuppance, but mostly there was considerable sympathy and compassion.

In any case, who cares what Trump says?
From Fox News -
 

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It doesn't seem so far fetched as far as 'merica goes. People protest and celebrate all sorts of ****.

Even of people did or didn't celebrate 9/11, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!? THESE PEOPLE ARE DEAD!
Who cares? many people do. 9-11 launched us into perpetual war, the continuation that we see today, it launched the govt's NDAA, launched homeland security and US surveillance on Americans, indefinite detention, now iphone surveillance crap, basically a coup d'etat over the constitution of the USA for "our safety".

Now we are told to embrace Islam and let undocumented syrians to come in?

Dude the Koolaid is strong with some people.
 
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Who cares? many people do. 9-11 launched us into perpetual war, the continuation that we see today, it launched the govt's NDAA, launched homeland security and US surveillance on Americans, indefinite detention, now iphone surveillance crap, basically a coup d'etat over the constitution of the USA for "our safety".

Now we are told to embrace Islam and let undocumented syrians to come in?

Dude the Koolaid is strong with some people.
And the supposed celebration of a few people matters....how?
 

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I remember the celebrations, and also saw some celebrating at JFK. Celebrators were also seen on rooftops in the news at that time.

Can't say why MSM news will not release videos of those celebrations, and now deny them.. wonder why.
Let's Occam's Razor this one:

Either 1) you're human and your memory is faulty in part due to personal biases, and you're simply confusing a video of Palestinians "celebrating" with Muslims in the U.S., or some other thing, or:

2) There's a national conspiracy involving all the "Mainstream Media" including Fox News and all of their New York/New Jersey affiliates to keep this video under wraps.

Let's see, which one is more likely....
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Who cares? many people do. 9-11 launched us into perpetual war, the continuation that we see today, it launched the govt's NDAA, launched homeland security and US surveillance on Americans, indefinite detention, now iphone surveillance crap, basically a coup d'etat over the constitution of the USA for "our safety".

Now we are told to embrace Islam and let undocumented syrians to come in?

Dude the Koolaid is strong with some people.
The Syrians wouldn't be undocumented.

They'd coming into the U.S. through a drawn-out process involving the U.N., not to mention reviews by U.S. intelligent agencies, and are given legal residency because they're asylum cases.
 

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Let's Occam's Razor this one:

Either 1) you're human and your memory is faulty in part due to personal biases, and you're simply confusing a video of Palestinians "celebrating" with Muslims in the U.S., or some other thing, or:

2) There's a national conspiracy involving all the "Mainstream Media" including Fox News and all of their New York/New Jersey affiliates to keep this video under wraps.

Let's see, which one is more likely....
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The Syrians wouldn't be undocumented.

They'd coming into the U.S. through a drawn-out process involving the U.N., not to mention reviews by U.S. intelligent agencies, and are given legal residency because they're asylum cases.
1) I'm human, and I remember. I also remember Israelis on a rooftop celebrating in a news clip, they were videotaping the towers being hit.

2) MSM media is owned by 6 corps - special interest, who all contribute to political candidates...

3) Just recently Isis report that they are fabricating forgery passports.

4) Forcing Islamics into western society (ies) that most of them hate, is not a solution. Creating a safe zone in their countries or other Islamic countries makes more sense.
 

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1) I'm human, and I remember. I also remember Israelis on a rooftop celebrating in a news clip, they were videotaping the towers being hit.

2) MSM media is owned by 6 corps - special interest, who all contribute to political candidates...

3) Just recently Isis report that they are fabricating forgery passports.

4) Forcing Islamics into western society (ies) that most of them hate, is not a solution. Creating a safe zone in their countries or other Islamic countries makes more sense.
The owners of the mainstream media don't give a **** about protecting Muslims. They care about protecting the interests of the rich. So you might not see stories about trade deals or tax evasion.

A story the day after 9/11 about Muslims isn't in that category. Especially as any news source in the whole world could have covered it.
 

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1) I'm human, and I remember. I also remember Israelis on a rooftop celebrating in a news clip, they were videotaping the towers being hit.
What channel was the video on? When did the video air? What was shown in the video?

... 2) MSM media is owned by 6 corps - special interest, who all contribute to political candidates...
You don't know how this works.

Let's assume the video existed. The video would have been shot by a news crew, usually consisting of a cameraman, a reporter, and potentially a sound-guy. Sometimes they would also get a driver and operate from either a van with transmission gear, or they would have hauled the video back to the station. If this was a national news crew, they would have 'ingested' the video into an archive where editors could pluck out clips for broadcast, while a local news crew would either do the same, or copy the video and send it to national through the affiliate network system.

In either case, the video would be in the archive of the original station and anyone who used it after the original broadcast. If these showed on multiple stations, you would have video footage in many archives.

Now, most local stations were owned, until recently, by a mix of corporations not held by the major six media companies. There has been a great deal of consolidation, and many outlets have closed, but there are still dozens of small local broadcasting companies.

Anyway, your point, again presupposes that "6 corps" have a vested interest in hiding this video, and have managed to accumulate all the footage in archives to hide the fact that Muslims celebrated on 9/11.

Or, your memory is faulty. Because, my memory is that the footage of Muslims celebrating was Palestinians and there was no footage of Muslims celebrating in the United States.


....3) Just recently Isis report that they are fabricating forgery passports.
So? You said "let undocumented Syrians come in." But, if they have a forged passport, they'd be documented. Follow the logic.

....4) Forcing Islamics into western society (ies) that most of them hate, is not a solution. Creating a safe zone in their countries or other Islamic countries makes more sense.
You've clearly never met a Syrian refugee. Or, hell a Sudanese, Iraqi, Afghani, Egyptian, or Iranian refugee.

I do think that Jordan and Saudi Arabia should be helping refugees, but that's a different argument.

Worth mentioning.

Scientific America interviewed a researcher in New York studying people's memories at intervals of one week, one year and three years after the attack.

From the interview:

...So if you look at memory for 9/11, pretty much everybody would say, "I know where I was, who I was with," etc. etc. Everyone thinks, "Oh, I never would forget that." But we know from a lot of studies from the past 30 years that people aren't necessarily right. You can't even convince people that their memories are wrong. All you can say is that data would suggest your memory's wrong.
...Our measure of accuracy is consistency with what people told us in the survey the week after the attack. From that first survey to the second survey a year later, the overall consistency of the details of how they learned of 9/11 was only 63 percent. At the third survey, three years after the attack, consistency was 57 percent. So people were only a little more than 50 percent right for a lot of the details.

But they were particularly bad at remembering what their emotions were after 9/11—accurate only about 40 percent of the time, after a year. And yet overall, for all those details, people's confidence in their memories was, on average, greater than 4 on a scale of 1 to 5.
 
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1) I'm human, and I remember. I also remember Israelis on a rooftop celebrating in a news clip, they were videotaping the towers being hit.

2) MSM media is owned by 6 corps - special interest, who all contribute to political candidates...

3) Just recently Isis report that they are fabricating forgery passports.

4) Forcing Islamics into western society (ies) that most of them hate, is not a solution. Creating a safe zone in their countries or other Islamic countries makes more sense.
I notice how you ignored my post when I asked you to post the video.

If the video is so easily found and we're all too dumb and naive to see/find it, why not share it with us?
 
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