NYC will fine employers up to $250,000 for referring to ‘transsexuals’ by their natural gender

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    Some of the web sites visited by forum members are absolutely mind boggling.
     
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    Damn, that was a boring read.

    The only time punitive measures are taken is when it's "willful, wanton, or malicious", and causes actual damage to the wronged party. No one can be charged merely for calling someone sir when they prefer to be called ma'am.

    ...but deny someone a raise or a promotion because you don't like queers and homos, and you'll find yourself on the happy boat to lawsuit town.
     
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    Oh look, it's that damn context and facts supporting the leftie agenda again.
     
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    Boring read indeed, and bound to lead to countless litigations for not having "guessed" what transgenders want to be called..

    Now everybody study the guidelines well like good little "snopee-ons" so that you may behave accordingly to the "mein kampf" book of social behavior dictated by the communist..
     
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    As one who lives (part time) under the rule of de Blasio, I can state unequivocally that he is one big a**hole.
     
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    Very happy I moved to Long Island.
     
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    What the hell does Mein Kampf have to do with communism?

    See, it's not "social programing" or whatever the hell you want to call it. It's protecting people from the petulant *******s out there who want to hurt them for no other reason than they don't like the fact they exist. You can call it Nazi/Commie/Favored Political Disparaging Remark of the Day all you want, it's simply yet another "hey guys, let's not relive Jim Crow again with yet another group of people" laws.

    And yes, you will have some examples where it's abused by some whiny person or another. That's true of anything.

    Here's the thing, right? We like to think of ourselves here in the US as being big proponents of an EGALITARIAN MERITOCRACY. It's a good thing to aim for. People getting by on the strength of their skills and dedication, without any barriers in the way. The problem is, there are probably a few too many self-righteous pricks in the world to truly support a system like that without anything to back it up. Sad as it is, sometimes we need these laws to make sure that people can succeed on the strength of their skills and dedication without one of these small minded pricks getting in the way.

    Unless you think it's your god given right to deny someone their future because you don't like the color of their skin, or the set of genitalia they like having thrown at their face in the wee hours of the morning, you really shouldn't have a problem with this. Yeah, you're still allowed to speak your mind about them. You can hate them all you want. You just can't stand in the way of their well being.
     
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    You said "hey guys !" how dare you decide what my gender is ? Your are fined $250,000.:D

    Deblasio is a self righteous prick. Equal rights have nothing to do with "gender identity", it is a first amendment rights issue that communists are peeing on.

    pS Meinkampf - National Socialist Party. Right wing communisn. Listening to hitler speeches translated, it is a modern day socialist's orgasm to listen to. As a matter of fact, the same platitudes are used by the democrats.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the first amendment, and even less to do with communism.

    The first amendment doesn't allow you to harass, harangue, or punish people because you don't like them. None of these are open expressions of free speech.
     
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    Oh yes it does allow to harass, harangue, or punish - F-you is not a violation of the 1rst amendment, it is free speech.

    Libel and slander is different.

    I suggest you read Saul Alinsky, and the communist manifesto on social engineering, with the goal to destroy societies of sovereignty.
     
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    This is the first amendment:

    Now the freedom of speech allows you to express your opinions without reprisal from the government. In other words, you can say that you hate blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, or transsexuals all you want. It is your right to express that opinion.

    Nowhere does it state that the expression of your opinion includes harming others directly. You can't fire someone because you hate blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, transsexuals. You can't go out on the street and start beating these people, can't interfere with their lives and livelihoods, and claim that your anger and angst is merely an outward expression of your deeply held beliefs.

    Remember, the rights of your fist end at someone else's nose. You can't recreate Jim Crow under the guise of freedom of expression. That's merely justify freedom for me, but not freedom for thee.

    Plus, you could argue these laws merely strength the 1st amendment by giving certain groups more tailored access to the government for redress.
     
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    Who said anything about firing based on discrimination? Deblasio law dictates how to behave verbally based on gender, and that gender's sexual orientation and beliefs. Deblasio is creating vocabulary, dress code, and PC correct laws- correct according to HIS thinking and ideology, to punish anyone that does not conform.
     
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    It's an inevitable thing that someone will eventually bring up The Regressive Left into this conversation. I have about as much love for these whiny, overly anal retentive college kids as you do. The difference is, I kinda see you both as being about one and the same.

    "How dare this group demands I resign from my job because I fired that one guy for being gay! That's discrimination! It's an affront to my rights!"

    YOU"RE BOTH DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO EACH OTHER! It's tit for tat reactionary BS, and you're all too goddamn stupid and self absorbed to see that you're contributing to the exact same problem! No one's freedoms override anyone else's freedoms. If you want to be allowed to fire people simply because you don't like their state of being, then you damn well better take being fired because people don't like you with a **** eating grin on your face, otherwise you're only serving to make yourself out to be a hypocrite of the highest order.

    "...but...but...but hating homo and negros is an OPINION! Why should I be forced to live with people I don't like?"

    And why do you expect, nay demand, people to be forced to live with you? You can't have your cake and eat it too, buddy.
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    No, that's only what you think it does. I've read the damn thing. It doesn't dictate behavior, merely outlines what can be considered abuse in extreme circumstances.
     
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    You are creating extreme aruments that have nothing to do with the guideline in question concerning trans genders. We are not discussing outright discrimination, rather it has to do with having no dress code that would "injure" a gender, or don't call someone "sir" or "maam", or "man", "woman" etc.. RIDICULOUS.

    The easy way out for employers to not face penalties for incorrectly naming or titling someone, is not to hire trans genders at all due to the liability.
     
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    You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Nowhere does it state that calling someone the wrong gender pronoun is a punishable offense. It can only be considered as such when it's done with obvious malicious intent.

    In other words, if there's no harm, there's no crime. Why are we pitching a fit over this?
     
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    It does state that naming a trans gender with gender identity that the individual does not agree with is a violation.

    In most extremely "sensitive" individuals, anything becomes malicious intent in their minds.

    ie: PC college freaks..
     
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    Only if you target them for retribution or punishment.

    Merely not liking someone doesn't qualify as harm. It's when you act on this dislike that things start getting complicated.
     
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    DeBlasio will be one term, and he'll possibly be locked up. As bad as Dinkins, but not as honest.
     
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    I don't know Renzatic, we already have discrimination laws, this type of nonsense legislation is a slippery slope. What happens in the future if an ultra right wing govt takes hold for years and starts dictating their ideology laws..is the problem.

    I for one will not be dictated to how to address men or women, or be toilet trained, or how large a soda, that is not the role of govt.
     
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    These aren't new laws exactly. It's merely illustrating extra ways you can't be an ******* to other people.

    Once again, it's not about you not being allowed to express your opinion. You want to call transsexuals by their birth sex pronouns rather than their preferred? GO FOR IT! Want to write a blog talking about how stupid you think they are? FEEL FREE! They're all your right. It is your opinion, and you're more than welcome to express it. The government can't stop you.

    ...until you take that opinion one step beyond, and you start interfering with their rights and freedoms.
     
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    I have no problem with trans-whatever - live and let live. I have a problem with deblasio interfering with my rights and freedoms, and his "live but not let live" bull. NYC is dying anyway, there is so much regulation, businesses can't keep up and have been moving out for years. It is however becoming a crony capitalist Disney Land for the rich. (unless you are a minority under deblasio's thumb)
     
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    I used to think NASA was in Florida.
     

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