Obama’s ransom for hostages exposed by the Iranian Mullahs that Obama secretly dealt with.

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  1. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    Wow.



    What goes around comes around.



    Who’s more dishonest? Obama or the Iranian Mullahs?



    From the linked article:

    In the Iranian video, a Persian-speaking narrator describes the cash-for-hostages deal as a plane is seen at night at an airport along with a photo of a giant pallet apparently stacked with bank notes.

    “In the early morning hours of January 17, 2016, at Mehrabad Airport, $400 million in cash was transported to Iran on an airplane,” the narrator says.

    “The Islamic Republic made an expensive offer to the equation: the release of seven Iranian prisoners in the United States, $1.7 billion and the lifting of sanctions against 16 Iranians who were prosecuted by the US legal system with the unjust excuse of sanctions violations,” the narrator says.

    “But this was not all the Iranians’ demands. Lifting sanctions against Sepah Bank was added to Iran’s list.

    —————>> All of this, in return for the release of only four American citizens: a win-lose deal that benefits the Islamic Republic of Iran and hurts the United States.”

    —————>> The TV producers even boasted that Iran was meddling in US politics by leaving Obama vulnerable to a backlash from Republicans if they found out about the payoff — even though Obama had agreed to a nuke deal favorable to the terror-supporting nation.




    http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/iranian-propaganda-video-claims-to-show-us-400m-cash-drop/
     
  2. steve knight, Aug 6, 2016
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    there you go it must be true and all. talk about desperation.
     
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    Perhaps this is disinformation coming from Iran. It should be a simple enough matter to determine whether the $400 million was in fact a settlement from a case that pre-dated the release of the US citizens. In any case, ... US citizens held by Iran released at seemingly peculiar timing suggestive of political exploitation ... why does this seem familiar to me? o_O
     
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    Watch how CNN obfuscates the Iranian televised triumph over America in general and Obama in particular. CNN, forced to respond, does so in the manner expected of the Clinton News Network.

    CNN tells the truth up to a point, employs the word "purportedly", then launches into the content they've previously posited.


    CNN:

    Video purportedly showing US payment to Iran emerges.

    Washington (CNN)A video emerged Friday that purportedly shows a US payment of $400 million worth of cash delivered to Iran on the day Tehran released several American prisoners in January.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/trump-iran-video-cash-payment/
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    1.) And look at the content of what was surrendered for our boys. 2.) It invites more hostage taking, but for the breathtaking amounts surrendered.
     
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    So given there was a court ruling forcing Obama to return the money what exactly is the issue?
     
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    I do find this odd. This agreement was reached in an international tribunal in The Hague and not a U.S. court, something odd in itself given American hostility to such institutions in the past.

    Furthermore, why did Obama secretly approve this to be sent on the same day Iran freed hostages and formally agreed to the nuclear deal?

    They couldn't have waited not even a month to avoid such terrible timing? The timing of this, whether by coincidence or not, makes America look weak. I can certainly see how the timing would suggest a ransom payment, even if it wasn't.
     
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    Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....but people will still fall for it....
     
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    The Hague is hardly corrupt though...

    And I can't see the Iranians agreeing to take it to a US court.
     
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    Well atleast he didn't arm central american death-quads as part of the deal....
     
  11. FieldingMellish thread starter Suspended

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    The least of all this is the apparent level of disrespect and mockery the Mullahs have for the American president.
     
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    Why should they like America?
     
  13. vrDrew, Aug 7, 2016
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    obfuscate
    vb (tr)
    1. to obscure or darken
    2. to perplex or bewilder

    I didn't find the CNN report perplexing or bewildering.

    The released video did contain a clip where the top of the palletized stash of cash was pixelated, which probably counts as a literal example of obfuscation. Why someone would do that is not explained, but probably has something to do with shielding the identity of the financial institutions involved with assembling the cash - and theoretically contravening U.S. sanctions prohibiting them from doing business with Iran.

    But the overall story was pretty easy to understand.
     
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    So is it only you who is allowed to mock and disrespect your President?
     
  15. FieldingMellish, Aug 7, 2016
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    Put the emphasis back onto the irony of Obama's secret deal making with "death to America" Iran, blowing back onto Obama on the international stage with Iran's derision, after Obama sends Iran a huge ransom atop the billions Obama had already cut loose (setting aside discussion of anything nuclear. )
     
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    As President Obama noted during his press conference, the Government announced back in January that the US Government would be returning Iranian money frozen during the 1980 hostage crisis. The terms of that agreement were widely reported in the press at the time, so it's somewhat hard to spin this as "secret deal making."

    The Iranian Government is trying to spin an unusual byproduct of the strong US sanctions that are still in place as some sort of victory for them. Specifically, it is because financial institutions that do business in the United States are prohibited from dealing with the Iranian Government.

    Most normal financial transactions of this type would simply involve an electronic transfer between banks. But that doesn't make for very interesting or dramatic video images. Because of the sanctions on Iran, no bank wanted to theoretically violate them by wiring the money to Iran - even if the US Government told them to. Because the US Congress would have to pass a special law permitting them to do so. Instead, the US Government asked a group of banks to put together a mix of currencies, which was then loaded onto a pallet, and flown (presumably under pretty tight security) to Iran.

    Receiving money in the manner shown is not evidence of a "victory" over the United States. It is, if anything, a convincing argument that the Iranian Government still has a long way to go before it rejoins the community of law-abiding nations.

    Don't fall for the Iranian Government's propaganda. And think twice before spreading it around,
     
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    Obama, in secret mind you, dealt with the devil and now he's been screwed by same, dragging America's reputation along for the ride on the world stage.

    This latest offense, from an American president promising to bring nations together, but who did a good job of tearing America apart.
     
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    How is repaying money the US owes a problem? Isn't paying your debts good?
     
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    Roosevelt shook hands with Stalin who killed somewhat between 10 and 20 millions.
    Nixon shook hands with Mao whose death toll is somewhere near 100 million.

    More terrorist have connections to SaudiaArabia (citizenship, indoktrination financing) than Iran.
    Iran is a beacon of human rights and freedom when compared to SA (setting the bar rather low but still).

    So what were Obama's options here ?
    - letting them rott in prison for a few decades just to save face
    - going in with a hot rescue mission with a high chance of ending as a desaters and a 100% chance of fueling more hatred
    - striking some (shady) deal that allows both sides to claim to have stayed with their principles
     
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    Hussein dreads putting on his "big boy" pants. It's so much easier to pay a ransom... with taxpayer cash. Besides the liberal progressives love his jokes.
     
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    Your source is basing his argument on poll numbers? Who cares if American people have an unfavorable opinion of Iran's government?

    The deal with Iran was about one thing: Persuading Iran to give up its nuclear weapons capabilities and program. By all accounts, it's doing that.

    The nuclear accord with Iran did something that no military option could have done: It removed virtually all of Iran's enriched uranium. It removed or mothballed its centrifuges. It closed its nuclear weapons facilities. And it lets international inspectors monitor its compliance with the accords.

    In return, the United States gave up nothing. We agreed to return to Iran money that nobody, going back to the days of Ronald Reagan, claimed was anything other than Iranian money.

    The United States still has sanctions, very tough damaging sanctions, on Iran. (At some point we may have to ask ourselves if it is in our own interests to keep them in place in their current form.)

    There are very few things in the world that really ought to worry Americans when it comes to foreign policy. But on that short list, Iran with a nuclear weapon ought to rank pretty high. An Iranian government with a pallet-load of cash? Not so much.

    Iran's government had pallet loads of cash before. One extra one isn't going to make the tiniest bit of difference. But an Iranian government with Natanz and other nuclear facilities closed, it centrifuges gone or dismantled, its supply of enriched uranium gone?

    That makes everybody safer.
     
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    So your saying, Prez Drump would have just send a bomber-squad to deal with this issue ?

    Care to explain how that would have yielded better results.
     
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    Obama just arms al-Qaeda in Syria instead.

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    Senator Tom Cotton opinion:

    The safe return of American hostages from Iran should be celebrated, but we can’t ignore what we gave up for their return: $400 million in cold, hard, untraceable cash to the terror-sponsoring ayatollahs. We turned a centuries-old precedent of not paying ransom on its head.

    By President Obama’s own admission, paying ransom is a dangerous, unwise gamble that “risks endangering more Americans and funding the very terrorism that we’re trying to stop.”

    It’s important to remember we shouldn’t have been in the position of negotiating for the release of these hostages in the first place. When Obama initiated talks with Iran, he had the upper hand. Its economy was in tatters from years of congressionally imposed sanctions.

    The safe release of these hostages should have been a precondition before we even considered coming to the negotiating table. Instead, he left the hostages in Iran and agreed to a nuclear deal that gave them everything and us nothing.

    Once that deal was signed, Obama was going to do whatever it took to preserve what he views as a cornerstone of his legacy. He has continually ignored Iran’s illicit behaviors and bowed to their demands — including sending them a $400 million ransom payment.

    ------->> He said the payment was made to settle an old debt. But it’s difficult to believe a 37-year-old claim was suddenly resolved overnight.

    -------->> And if that is the case, why then, Mr. President, was this amount shipped in cash in an unmarked plane the same day the hostages were released?

    Why has one of the hostages stated that Iran would not let them leave while they were waiting for a second plane? And why did your own Justice Department object to the exchange?


    The consequences of this ransom are real.

    ----->> Since it was made, Iran has taken two new U.S. hostages. The case of Robert Levinson also remains unresolved.



    Internationally, this has fundamentally changed the way we are viewed by murderous states, terrorist organizations and their proxies.
    They see this payment for what it is: ransom. That puts U.S. lives at risk and makes our country less safe.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/05/iran-ransom-hostages-obama-cash-payments/88301850/
     

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