Obama authorizes assassination of US citizen

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  1. it5five macrumors 65816

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    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

    Even Bush didn't have this little regard for the US court system. This is an appalling turn for the Obama administration, which appears to care little about restoring our privacy rights taken away under the Bush administration.

    Here are some quotes from the linked article:

     
  2. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

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    Politics has a short term memory defect don't it? I heard the same stories about Bush, Clinton, Sr., Reagan--here's your tinfoil hat.
     
  3. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I have largely been impressed with Obamas foreign policy, particuarly with regard to Pakistan. I am glad he is doing what is needed to hunt down terrorists around the world.
     
  5. dinaluvsApple macrumors regular

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    How a right wing loon interprets obama

    1.obama has a hit list of terrorists he wants dead!

    "omg look at obama, with no disregard for our laws or legal procedures just going after anybody against him, he must be stopped@!@!!"


    2. obama wants to capture and hold trials for all terrorists and suspects against the US.

    "omg look at obama, hes sympathizing with these terrorists!!, how dare he waste our tax money giving this MUZZLIMS trials, food and TVS!!!
    Somebody stop him
    !@!@!@!@!@
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I'm honestly glad you are at least consistent. I was fully expecting some sort of outcry, but you've held solid onto your views. While I disagree (to some extent) I'm glad that you've shown that you guys aren't all anti Obama no matter what.

    Thanks :)
     
  7. bobertoq macrumors 6502a

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    You're being sarcastic, right? I really hope so...

    I was kind of confused by the post, too, but allowing the government to assassinate people? That's really pushing it... Especially its own citizens...
     
  8. 184550 Guest

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    God, you people love that ***** Franklin quote don't you?

    You are aware then that the 'liberty' that he refers to in the quote, taken from the late 1700s, was in reference to the question of slavery in the US?

    EDIT:

    You may also find this interesting. Here's another bit. And another.
     
  9. bobertoq macrumors 6502a

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    And your point? I'm not entirely sure how slavery provides security, but what he was referring to is irrelevant. What he said was right, and I would consider living and privacy "essential liberties."
     
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    My point is that if you look at the orignal historic basis for that quote, it has zero connection to the topic you're applying it to. Therefore, how can you be sure what Franklin's opinion would be this topic?

    Should have paid attention in history...
     
  11. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Lol how many quotes are misused by the right?

    Just sayin.
     
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    I wouldn't know considering that I usually line up with Democrats on social issues and Republicans on foreign policy.

    Regardless of that, show me a popular quote that 'the right' misuses and I'll be glad to find out its true basis.
     
  13. bobertoq macrumors 6502a

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    And my point was that, regardless of what Benjamin Franklin would think, in my opinion, essential liberties are always more important than security. Giving the government this much power is dangerous and another step towards authoritarianism.
     
  14. No1451 macrumors 6502

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    I don't get it, I read that article and I cannot anywhere find a place where they mention names, instead we get "an american official".

    Can someone explain to me what he has said/done that supports this article?
     
  15. freeny macrumors 68020

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    Conservatives are getting desperate again.
    Perhaps November doesnt look so bad after all ;)
     
  16. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

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    The problem with people and the abuse of that Franklin quote is the belief that it only applies to their own group.
     
  17. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I may not have been very clear in my first post, or you may not have read the article I linked to, but here's my attempt at a clarification and some corrections.

    1. I'm not a right wing loon. I've been called one more than once in this thread, which is hilarious and dead wrong, since I'm one of the most "left" members on this board. Since when are Socialists "right wing loons"?

    2. This isn't a "conspiracy" of any sort. It isn't vague ramblings saying that Obama can kill whoever he wants. Here is a Washington Post article defining this program:

    3. There was another Salon article about this, written by the same person, a few months ago. Here is that article.

    I know for a fact that some of you in this thread who don't see this as a big deal or who are calling me a right wing conspiracy theorist were livid with G.W. Bush's practice of detaining "enemy combatants" without trial for years.

    I'd like to say something very important again: Any criticism of Obama does not make the person being critical a right wing loon. The right pulled the same thing with Bush; denouncing any and all critics of the president and defending his every move and action. If I see Obama doing something I think is reprehensible, like authorizing the CIA or military to kill a U.S. citizen abroad, away from the "battlefield" (this means at home, at the store, wherever) without any trial or evidence put forth, I'm sure as hell going to criticize him.

    Now, does anyone have any legitimate complaints with my thread, or are you going to continue to mock me and paint me as a right wing conspiracy theorist?
     
  18. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I wasn't mocking you- your OP was very strange and didn't seem to match up with the thread title. Now that it's more clear, I understand what you're saying.

    And no- Obama absolutely should not be doing this, but I am not surprised. Look how happy it made Nathanmuir. This is political strategy if I've ever seen it, disgusting as it is.
     
  19. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I didn't think you were mocking me, just confused about my first post (which I know I should have put more information in). I was referring to a few people who posted after you did.
     
  20. imac/cheese macrumors 6502a

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    Having seen you posting here for a couple years, I really laughed out loud when I saw you being called a right-wing loon.
     
  21. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    This is an appalling development for the US.

    FWIW Olbermann is against this:

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/08/olbermann/index.html
     
  22. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    it5Five, snark is much easier than actual thinking...

    I have mixed emotions on this. If someone is known to have taken action, and it's not merely an accusation based upon suspicion by some lower-level functionary, the "review and findings" is a form of substitute for the judicial process. The National Security Council is not just some bunch of guys off the street. And, really, it's not the killing as killing which bothers me.

    But I have the same old worry as about any sort of death penalty, judicial or otherwise: Did they kill the right guy?
     
  23. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    It may be me but I don't understand.

    snark |snɑːk|
    noun
    an imaginary animal (used to refer to someone or something that is difficult to track down).
    ORIGIN 1876: nonsense word coined by Lewis Carroll in The Hunting of the Snark.
     
  24. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Must be an Americanism. I've known the word for a long time. Snark is a snide remark, and the word is a combination of both. Snide remark.
     
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    [side rant]This is the problem with the rise of blogging as being perceived as a replacement to traditional journalism. There actually is value to the editing process and space limitations imposed by magazines and newspaper articles. This blog is almost completely unreadable -- sections have to be read over and over again to understand what connection between events and theories the author is proposing, or how any one paragraph relates to any of the other paragraphs[/side rant]

    That being said, no, I don't care for it either. OTOH, I've consistently said that I think the broad area of restoring civil liberties is the one area in which I have been consistently dissatisfied with President Obama and his administration's work. I personally consider the entire "non-enemy combatant" business not only a load of malarkey but a serious violation of our basic American values. I want a return to the ideas that, if someone committed a crime, they are duly charged and duly processed, that they have an appropriate right to face their accusers, and that the public has a right to oversee the judicial process to verify that American values of civil liberty and fairness are being upheld by it.
     

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