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    It's Johnson's preemptively, for not knowing about Aleppo. For all anyone knows, he probably thinks Iran-Contra was a cool video game found in every box of Boo-Berry brand cereal, too. o_O:p:eek:
     
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    Trumps fault, he was for the Iraq war....or he wasn't.
     
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    Obama/Hillary

    Two of the worst humans alive on the planet.

    Why are Obama and Hillary’s terrorists using Allepo civilians as human shields?
     
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    it was the BEST war!
     
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    Believe me, if Clinton wins she will make it worse.
     
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    Sorry, I thought you wanted Obama not to get involved in the military conflict?

    Or is this yet another case where those on the right set Obama an impossible standard - it's a bit like female celebrities and weight - and that is not at all sexist...
     
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    Did you happen to read the source you cited?

    Emphasis mine.

    For the confused or feeble-minded, Russian aircraft are bombing Aleppo. Presumably in order to prop up Syrian dictator Assad, who is Russia's sole ally in the region, and the reason that Russia has a naval facility in the Mediterranean.

    So I don't quite understand why you blame Barack Obama (and certainly not Hillary Clinton) for this tragedy.
     
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    because Obama armed the rebels thanks to Clintons input, this CIVIL war got extended thanks to BOTH of them.
     
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    So because Obama send over a few guns (even though most of them come from the Saudis) - it's all his fault?
     
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    are you overlooking the fact he authorized training the rebels and bombed Syria as well? it's not just his fault, also Clintons.
     
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    You keep saying this, and presumably you believe this. But it simply is not true.

    Please take a moment to read this BBC article on the subject: (Note, please read the entire article. Not just the headline. Because it contains some very important details I don't think you quite understand.)

    and

    emphasis mine

    Note: The article I cited is not complimentary towards Obama. It actually cites numerous people who believe that Obama actually should have armed the rebels back in 2012. And that is perhaps a legitimate criticism.

    But you cannot blame him for both arming the rebels and not arming the rebels. That, my friend, is a logical impossibility.
     
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    So if we let Assad and Russia have Syria back what will happen?
     
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    Low information voters.
    Low information threads.
     
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    that is one awesome fallacy you posted, he armed & trained the rebels while bombing Syria in the process, I don't care who blames him for NOT arming the rebels, I sure as hell would NOT blame him for that. you are pretending I hold BOTH positions when it is simply NOT SO
     
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    Following J(o)K(e) logic to its full conclusion the blame belongs to Eve...
     
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    you mean deflecting as you guys always do? I hope trump wins, that might be the only way liberals once again grow a back bone.
     
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    Do you or don't you want Obama to bomb Islamic state?

    I thought you criticised Obama for not taking IS seriously enough.
     
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    Again, Eve's fault for needing the bone...

    ...or, as Trump would say, needing to be boned.
     
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    Aside from Libya Obama has been fairly restrained.
     
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    please, been down this road before, the goal is to remove Assad, give it a break and I would have no problems completely GTFO of the Middle east and just trading with whomever stays in power.
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    arming rebels & training them while bombing Syria is "restrained" ??? lmmfao.
     
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    Sure, the goal is to remove Assad, because that's what Hilary said in 2012 :rolleyes:.

    And GTFO the Middle East is fine, but that means leaving Islamic State alone as well.

    That also means it's fine Hilary liked Mubarak as he was in charge at the time.
     
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    provided you a 2016 link you overlooked a few times.
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clinton-obama-differences-20160729-snap-htmlstory.html
     
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