Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years


bobber205

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Perhaps there is some hope yet... maybe people are seeing him as the hate filled socialist he really is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html


Now for the obligatory ending... Can we get low poll numbers? YES WE CAN!
And you're still using that dumb avatar. The Joker is clearly an anarchist. Which the the OPPOSITE of a socialist.

It shows how truly ignorant you are.
 

quagmire

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It's simple, Americans wanted fast results in a recession that will be felt for at least 3 years. No recovery=dissatisfied Americans. Add in the polarizing HealthCare issue, it isn't a surprise. Once a sign of recovery comes within a year or two, polls will bounce back most likely.
 

Lord Blackadder

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Sod off
Perhaps there is some hope yet... maybe people are seeing him as the hate filled socialist he really is.
For the billionth time, he isn't a socialist. What is so bad about socialism anyway?

And hateful? That is the biggest lie you've repeated yet.

Keep wailing and gnashing your teeth...It's almost becoming endearing. But your Gallup Poll link doesn't say anything about his approval rating being linked with him being considered a "hate-filled socialist".
 

jecapaga

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bradl

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Hate filled socialist? So hard to even respond to you without getting a timeout so I won't.
Then leave it to much wiser men:

Mark Twain said:
Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Dogbert paraphrased it rather succintly as well:

Don’t argue with idiots. They will drop you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The More You Know[tm].

BL.
 

Rodimus Prime

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Looks like Obama false campaign promises are finally catching up to him. He is going to be a one term president.

Unemployment will not hit 9% (or was it 8%)-- Already at 9.8% and still climbing
The Economy will get better -- It has just started getting bad at a slower pace
Show a stimulus bill down our throats -- Next to none of it has been spent and full of pork
He will create jobs -- Economy still shedding jobs at 6 figures a month.
Past a Health Care bill before Congress summer break -- Still have not pass one.
he campaigned on change -- Washington still has not changed. Same Crooks in charged just different faces.

Shall I go one on Obama false promises he has failed to deliver on.

All in all what do you expect to happen when we have a long list of failed promises and in some ways lied to. The stimulus bill saying we need it yet not spent. Promised more jobs - created none.
 

iBlue

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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Another FullOfLose thread!

http://upc.*************/uploads/macros/trollercoaster2.jpg


I find it funny that you actually have the sack to call anyone hateful when you spout off the things you do.
 

Full of Win

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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Another FullOfLose thread!
I find it funny that you actually have the sack to call anyone hateful when you spout off the things you do.
Just because someone makes statements that counter prevailing opinion not make them a so-called troll. Using that metric, I guess Grandi, MLK Jr ect... would also be defined as trolls.

If you want to refute me, go ahead. However, to pigeon hole someone with the moniker of 'troll' is intellectual cowardliness.
 

iBlue

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Just become someone makes statements that counter prevailing opinion not make them a so-called troll. Using that metric, I guess Grandi, MLK Jr ect... would also be defined as trolls.
It isn't that you have a dissenting opinion, it's the way you express it.
To elaborate, your words indicate that you are not interested in much more than pissing people non-republicans off. That, to me, defines a troll. And I hardly think you should compare your antagonistic internet shenanigans with the likes of Gandhi, MLK Jr., etc.
 

GoCubsGo

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Just become someone makes statements that counter prevailing opinion not make them a so-called troll. Using that metric, I guess Grandi, MLK Jr ect... would also be defined as trolls.
Who is Grandi? Just curious.

LOL @ Blue.

Obama may be a one-term president and yes, he has time to turn things around but so far he's not living up to his well-written campaign speeches.
 

Blue Velvet

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The decline in early presidential popularity has been pretty consistent since the 1980s, as American politics became more ideological and partisan. But here's the thing: Reagan at this point was at 57 percent, headed to 51 percent in the fourth quarter. Clinton was at 48 percent. Those two were the last two successful two-term presidents, and they look very similar to Obama. The first Bush was headed up toward 69 percent, only to fail to win re-election. George W. Bush at this point was in the 70s headed to the high 80s, but that was obviously 9/11. Before 9/11, Bush was at 51 percent - not far off Obama right now. And he was not tackling the worst recession in memory, a stratospheric debt (he inherited a surplus) and two failed wars.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/10/gallup-declaresthe-9-point-drop-in-the-most-recent-quarter-for-barack-obamas-job-approval-rating-is-the-largest-gallup-has.html

So, some needed context. Also, for conservatives getting excited, a reality check:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php

Enjoy your day.
 

Jack Flash

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Yeah! I've had enough of this socialist, anarchist, communist, capitalist, fascist, marxist, racist flip-floppin, unilateral, negotiatin'....

Wait, what?
 

Shivetya

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Yes. He's socialist and communist. and facist and a liberal.
I will agree on fascist and liberal. He is in bed with Wall Street more than any other President I have seen. Don't take that 90% paycut as not being in bed with Wall Street, if you look at the other benefits most of these exces are not being hurt and those they want out will go.

Besides, he is dumber than a box of rocks, he makes Bush look good. Worse, he is the most arrogant President since Nixon... and his staff is the worst ever.
 

sysiphus

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The decline in early presidential popularity has been pretty consistent since the 1980s, as American politics became more ideological and partisan. But here's the thing: Reagan at this point was at 57 percent, headed to 51 percent in the fourth quarter. Clinton was at 48 percent. Those two were the last two successful two-term presidents, and they look very similar to Obama. The first Bush was headed up toward 69 percent, only to fail to win re-election. George W. Bush at this point was in the 70s headed to the high 80s, but that was obviously 9/11. Before 9/11, Bush was at 51 percent - not far off Obama right now. And he was not tackling the worst recession in memory, a stratospheric debt (he inherited a surplus) and two failed wars.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...allup-has.html

So, some needed context. Also, for conservatives getting excited, a reality check:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php

Enjoy your day.
Fair points. But the Atlantic article also ignores the massive debt Obama has racked up, the plethora of unfulfilled campaign promises, etc. Rodimus Prime's list is worth considering when weighing the public opinion of Obama.
Is it doomsday for Obama & co? No. But the numbers don't lie--the feel-good speeches and promises with little substance behind them are starting to wear thin. He wildly overpromised on the campaign trail, and the "give him more time" argument will only work for so long...he simply hasn't delivered (yet?) as advertised.

Beyond that, his remarkably long list of ethically/politically compromised appointees to his staff isn't doing him any favors.

[Disclaimer: I voted McCain, but wavered right up until election day...seriously. I almost voted for Obama, and seriously questioned whether I made the right choice...Thus far, I'm not regretting my decision.]
 

iBlue

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I will agree on fascist and liberal. He is in bed with Wall Street more than any other President I have seen. Don't take that 90% paycut as not being in bed with Wall Street, if you look at the other benefits most of these exces are not being hurt and those they want out will go.

Besides, he is dumber than a box of rocks, he makes Bush look good. Worse, he is the most arrogant President since Nixon... and his staff is the worst ever.
http://upc.*************/uploads/smilies/smWhat.gif What?! No seriously, what?

And while we're on a WTF roll, would you mind telling me what your signature is about?
Liberal hell hath no fury greater than that reserved for those they consider to be “runaway slaves:” women, minorities, homosexuals, etc. who just won’t stay on the plantation.
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rdowns

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Just because someone makes statements that counter prevailing opinion not make them a so-called troll. Using that metric, I guess Grandi, MLK Jr ect... would also be defined as trolls.

If you want to refute me, go ahead. However, to pigeon hole someone with the moniker of 'troll' is intellectual cowardliness.
In comparing yourself to MLK, are you saying that you are a leader of civil right or should take a bullet in the head?

Who is Grandi? Just curious.
How soon they forget.

 

geese

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...fascist and liberal.
Sorry, that the most daftest thing i've read in a long time. Thats like saying my dinner is both hot AND cold, or I'm walking forwards, yet walking backwards at the same time.


Fascist and Liberal are opposite terms you wally.
 

yg17

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I will agree on fascist and liberal. He is in bed with Wall Street more than any other President I have seen. Don't take that 90% paycut as not being in bed with Wall Street, if you look at the other benefits most of these exces are not being hurt and those they want out will go.

Besides, he is dumber than a box of rocks, he makes Bush look good. Worse, he is the most arrogant President since Nixon... and his staff is the worst ever.

If he was in bed with Wall Street there wouldn't be any paycut. Cutting someone's pay 90% is the opposite of being in bed with them :rolleyes:

Do you think for yourself or just repeat what Limbaugh and Beck tell you to repeat?
 

Blue Velvet

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But the Atlantic article also ignores the massive debt Obama has racked up, the plethora of unfulfilled campaign promises, etc. Rodimus Prime's list is worth considering when weighing the public opinion of Obama.
OK, let's address these accusations:

Unemployment will not hit 9% (or was it 8%)-- Already at 9.8% and still climbing
True. Although the rate of increase is slowing. Let's look at the trend:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4jIlyJ10uJU/SuBWVRJXSAI/AAAAAAAAE0g/cULpveQDJUM/s1600-h/showimage.asp.gif

Unmistakably downwards. It will get to a point soon where jobs are being created, probably sometime in the spring. Remember, we were being told not so long ago that the Dow tanking was Obama's fault, and yet, funnily enough, that line of criticism is no longer relevant. The Dow is just one of many leading indicators. Speaking of which:


The Economy will get better -- It has just started getting bad at a slower pace
Sorry, but no reasonable person expects the largest recession since the 1930s to turn on a dime. But regardless, you're wrong:

"With the sixth consecutive increase, the LEI's six-month growth rate has improved to its highest pace since 1983," says Ataman Ozyildirim, Economist at The Conference Board. "Except for average workweek and building permits, all the leading indicators contributed positively to the index this month. At the same time, the contraction in the coincident economic index has halted in recent months, but the continued downtrend in employment is keeping this index of current economic conditions from rising faster."

http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2009/10/leading-economic-indicators-up-6-months.html

Show a stimulus bill down our throats -- Next to none of it has been spent and full of pork
Almost 40% has spent in 2009, the bulk of it will come next year. The use of the word 'pork' is a clear sign of someone who doesn't understand what the whole point of stimulus spending is for.


He will create jobs -- Economy still shedding jobs at 6 figures a month.
We've dealt with this.


Past a Health Care bill before Congress summer break -- Still have not pass one.
This historic bill is only weeks away from being completed. No president in living memory has got to this point so far. Obstructionism in the House is only something a President can work around, not barge through.


he campaigned on change -- Washington still has not changed. Same Crooks in charged just different faces.
Sorry, is this advocating a revolution or coup? The change that Obama campaigned on was a change of policy and method. Policy takes time to craft and test, and then see the results thereof. The Executive branch is just one arm of government. Sometimes, judging by the weight that you place solely on the president, I think that some Americans would be happier living under a dictatorship or monarchy.


Besides, he is dumber than a box of rocks, he makes Bush look good.
Hmm. President of Harvard Law Review and someone who taught constitutional law is dumber than a box of rocks. Takes on two of the largest political figures in American politics at national level and cleans the floor with them. Nice try.

I enjoy seeing partisans not engaging with reality. Makes their bewilderment at coming disappointments all the more amusing.


Worse, he is the most arrogant President since Nixon... and his staff is the worst ever.
Someone would think you're just making things up. I know it's cathartic to express yourself like this, but ask yourself this, outside the wingerverse, is it persuasive? Or even factual?


It's really important to remind people that:

Nearly every single problem this administration has faced, and continues to face, stems from Bush's failures, incompetence, and mismanagement. The moment President Obama was sworn in, he had to deal with an economy in free fall, soaring unemployment, a collapsing U.S. auto industry, a health care system in crisis, a housing crisis, a looming global warming catastrophe, two costly wars, an enormous budget deficit, a $10 trillion debt, a pessimistic electorate, a Guantanamo fiasco, and a global landscape in which the United States had lost much of its global prestige.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020545.php

So, in the light of that...

"What I reject is when some folks sit on the sidelines and root for failure," he said at a fundraiser in San Francisco where he was joined by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

"I'm busy," he told the crowd. "Nancy's busy with her mop cleaning up somebody else's mess. We don't want somebody sitting back saying you're not holding the mop the right way.

"Why don't you grab a mop? Why don't you help clean up?

"You're not mopping fast enough," the president said, imitating his critics' comments.

"That's a socialist mop.

"Grab a mop!" he demanded. "Let's get to work."
...sounds fairly reasonable.