Obama sending more troop to Iraq

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    With recent information, I'm not sure if it was good or not to go in as it was a bipartisan agreement for which even some in the UN were also suggesting Saddam was playing games with them all.

    But Obama said he was going to pull out, for which he had but then had to go back in with contractors. Maybe the country is destabilizing again. :(
     
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    you seem to be fine if trump does it.
     
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    The people who read The NY Times in the comments are truly dumber than a rock.

    One guy called Obama's handling of the ME "masterful". This is truly beyond a joke. He has no idea what he is doing. There are U.S.-backed rebels fighting U.S.-backed rebels all over and the region is littered with literal terrorists in possession of American weapons.

    First we're told ISIS is being 'degraded' and we learn they're expanding to more and more countries. Next, we resort to deploying ground troops despite the 'no ground troops' statement by Obama. This disaster will only get worse if Clinton gets in and expands the intervention to toppling Assad.

    What an absolute **** show.
     
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    Just your feelings talking as always
     
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    No doubt antiwar protests will block traffic in Washington DC and New York City. I imagine thousands will march against this escalation of the Iraq war. They may even build an effigy of Obama and pull it down in a celebratory act of defiance. Yes, it's going to be like the 1960s all over again.

    /s
     
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    What is your solution to Iraq and Syria?
     
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    Leave. It's never been tried.
     
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    We kind of left and ISIS was the result. If you leave a vacuum something will fill it.
     
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    So we should occupy the Middle East? We are 20 trillion in debt. All we do is create more terrorist
     
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    I guess Obuma was listening during the debate when Trump said they pulled out too early.
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    Wash our hands of it. Let it burn. We never should have gone there. 14th century bsrbarians need to be ruled by 14th century barbarians. Assad is a monster but perfect to rule over the beasts that live there. Gadaffi was a monster but he knew how to keep the truly evil in check.

    We need to stop meddling over there.
     
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    I would much prefer to see a thread had Obama not provided the additional troops the military asked for.
     
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    So I am assuming that there is a SOFA for all of the 5K troops that have been put in place for TAAC troops. According to the administration the major reason we "left" Iraq in the first place was because Joey B and Barry O couldn't swing a SOFA.

    So either he has a SOFA for the 5K TAAC troops or he is just forcing them to be there without any SOFA protections.
     
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    Iraqi forces are preparing to retake the city of Mosul from ISIL.

    There are a couple of things to take note of here:

    Firstly, the troops are going in at the express request of the Iraqi Government, and with the full cooperation of Iraqi military forces that are going to carry out the operation. Over the past two years the Iraqi forces have stepped up to take responsibility for security in their own country. They have made tremendous strides in areas such as unit cohesion, discipline, and overall combat effectiveness. They have also noted, repeatedly, the effectiveness of the advice and support given by US and other coalition troops.

    Secondly, the US troops are going in a strictly non-combat role. They are there to provide training, intelligence, and logistical support. The Iraqi army is still growing in effectiveness and needs assistance in critical areas such as these. US troops in Iraq are armed and capable of defending themselves, but they are strictly prohibited from directly engaging in operations. This doesn't guarantee that their mission is without risk or that there will be no casualties, but the chances of heavy loss of life among US forces is minimal. I should also note that US and other coalition forces are operating under a renegotiated Statement of Forces Agreement that ensures US troops are not subject to Iraqi civilian or military justice.

    After inflicting stunning defeats on Iraqi forces, and capturing vast swathes of Iraqi territory, ISIL is now losing the war in Iraq and Syria. Kurdish forces have pushed them back in Syria and northern Iraq. And the Iraqi military has gelled into an effective combat and security force. Fighting ISIL has, in effect, been their baptism of fire.

    Recapturing Mosul, the largest city still under ISIL control, will be a major accomplishment in the overall battle against ISIL's hideous ideology. ISIL's occupation of Mosul, located in the crucial oil-producing area in the north of Iraq, has been characterized by brutal oppression of religious minorities as well as the desecration of religious shrines. Mosul is normally a city of some two million people.

    A successful campaign to retake Mosul will be a major milestone not just in the fight against ISIL, but also a great step forward in the re-establishment of Iraq as an effective nation-state, one with a professional military with the confidence and professionalism to ensure their own security.

    We sent 150,000 troops into Iraq 13 years ago and effectively broke that country as a functioning nation state. We also lost 5,000 of our finest young people in the process. If, by sending 600 or so US troops to help the Iraqis defeat ISIL and regain control of their country - we will have made a great step in ensuring that those brave Americans did not die in vain.
     
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    That was the same lame excuse we heard for years on Fox News: we must continue feeding troops into the meat grinder, otherwise the dead will have died in vain.
     
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    Exactly. For once we are in complete agreement.

    We're going back to war, without declaring it (or admitting that we never really stopped). Up next is Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and shockingly Egypt. All of these countries will have our boots on the ground, be it "special advisors" (hey guys, remember Vietnam?!), special forces, or vanilla deployments.

    We can't stop our own war machine.
     

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