Obama the apologiser

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  1. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Taken from http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...e-by-turkey-‘stab-in-the-back’.1940320/page-4

    Agreed, I don't think its productive to refuse to admit when you ****ed up in the past.

    I don't think America's Middle East policy can be described as anything other than a cluster**** and Obama was right to point that out.
     
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    It is, but it is still President Bush's fault.
     
  4. Eraserhead thread starter macrumors G4

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    Now, hell yes.

    And has he done a better or worse job than his predecessors, probably too early to tell, but it's not massively better for sure.
     
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    community organizer screwed things up big time, Hillary is going to "inherit" a mess that she will blame on Bush just like Obama has.
     
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    Thats an oversimplification.

    Certainly the current administration has let some things slip through the cracks with regard to ISIL. But to pretend that the situation in Iraq was hunky dory the day Obama took office is absurd.

    I don't think anybody seriously blamed G.W. Bush for 9/11. Granted - he (like any President) could have done things differently in the months prior. But the reality is that bin Laden was hatching terrorist plots long before Bush was first elected.

    Blame Obama for what he has done (underestimate the threat of ISIL) if you will. But lets not pretend he is the only US President who has made foreign policy mistakes.
     
  7. shinji macrumors 65816

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    He made a campaign promise to repair America's strained relationships with the outside world. It's one thing to say you don't like America apologizing for anything, but he (tried to do) what he said he would.

    Doesn't seem like it was a resounding success, especially with the country in the original thread, Russia.
     
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    You win some - you lose some. But Obama certainly has done a lot to repair the relationship with France.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Eraserhead thread starter macrumors G4

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    Only places substantially below 40% are Palestine, Pakistan, Russia and Venezuela. That isn't bad.

    And there's only China and Argentina to add who are below 45%.

    Other than Daesh, what?
     
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    Between the insincere (ironic? sarcastic? completely unrelated?) title of this thread, the opening post itself being based upon something that doesn't a thread make, and Post No. 10 being, well, a void...

    Hell, I've forgotten what this is about.
     
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    Hillary and bubba will lay a calming hand on things. Even the feminists cave into bubbas game, Hillary noted for her calm candid truthfulness and non violet ways will elevate the country to a level of nervana never before witnesses.
     
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    Besides that, a huge percentage or sorties come back with payloads, wasting each pilot's risk for having gone over, due to zero tolerance on harming civilians who might be in the vicinity.

    For Pete's sake, stop playing war if you're not serious. The enemy, hiding among civilians, by default have signed civilian's death warrants because they have callous disregard for their own people's casualties.

    Do some serious flattening and the enemy will resign themselves that there is no place to run, and no place to hide. For a bloodthirsty lot, they play like weenies using soft cover.
     
  14. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    From your second link:

     
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    Discussing statitstics based on surveys where they supposedly asked people about their opinion on how somebody on another continent does his job .... :D ... you people are priceless :p
     
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    Are you advocating using weapons to deliberately kill civilians?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
     
  17. Eraserhead thread starter macrumors G4

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    Only because you don't like the result of the poll.
     
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    Yes. That's the reason ... :p ... that highly scientific poll .... :D
     
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    Well it's a Pew poll so it probably is pretty good.

    Here's Europe's view:
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    Graph = science.
    Now I am convinced :p
     
  21. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    The recovery has been nothing short of amazing after the depths of the GW years.

    IMO one thing that did help was the US was more focused on internal affairs than on Europe.
     
  22. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    It pretty much proved Keynesian economics works. That's the path Obama followed, and our recovery was much faster than Europe's, which went the austerity route.

    Facts = impervious to
     
  23. Meister, Nov 26, 2015
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    graph = facts = science :eek:

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    Have you ever been in war? Like over in the ME? We do way more today than ever before to curb casualties. However, when your life is on the line and there are bad guys mixed in with civilians, and the civilians aren't running away or fighting then they aren't the good guys. You will make a call pretty quickly when in battle to either sacrifice yourself or do what needs done to insure your safety and that of your fellow soldiers. Anyone here who thinks those decisions aren't made on the field daily has their head in the sand. The only real news worth notes about them are when controversial (in the minds of some) drones are involved. Otherwise, it's called war.
     
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    I agree, here is another example. I had a long list of links to choose from, but I chose FOX because I know how well they are respected here on PRSI.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nce-with-france-on-isis-targets-in-syria.html

    “We dropped leaflets, warning the drivers to scatter,” said an official who had been briefed on the strike. “Next we strafed the area [with 30mm cannons] before the dropping bombs” from the warthogs.
     

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