Obama to address Public School students

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  1. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    The idea is interesting, that the POTUS would speak to all students simultaneously, and one that I like - to an extent. I find this to be no different than going to a school and reading to the kids or any other similar activity. I'd post a link to verify, but a) all I can find on Google are screaming extremists and b) I have a meeting to go to.

    But, there seem to be a lot of folks up in arms, and nobody seems to know what the topic is - be cool and stay in school or campaigning to get kids to support an initiative. I only found out because of some random forward that I got, which is screaming about it being the latter, although I suspect the former.

    There really isn't much to comment on, and I don't consider the idea political, but we all know it would end up in this forum anyway...
     
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    I think pretty much all presidents do something similar. Maybe not to the scale that president Obama is planning or whatever but I think that in recent history they have all done something similar. A fine example of a good politician "kissing babies".
     
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    As long as he doesn't read My Pet Goat while the country is under attack, he can't screw this up any worse than our past president did ;)

    And campaigning to get kids to support an initiative? Give me a break, are these people off their rockers? They're kids, they're too young to vote. What good is telling a 3rd grader to support this or that going to do? They don't even understand the issues at that age, and if they did, why would it matter if they can't vote?

    My guess is it'll be a "stay in school" combined with promoting community service or something like that; something non-partisan (despite what wingnuts may say) that even kids can partake in.
     
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    Found it.

    This above is what he says, not as part of his own address, but as part of a broader program about staying in school.

    What I find strange is the efforts that the White House is going to in order to push a commercially produced message (even if the DoE is involved). I would guess that they have a separate set of instructions for 7-12, but I can't find anything (I suppose that wouldn't fuel hysteria in the same way). Personally, I wouldn't trust anything produced by MTV...

    NB: I can't find anything at whitehouse.gov to confirm this.
     
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    What a great way to brainwash kids and get them into the reeducation camps. :D
     
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    I read through the doc but was unable to find anything about MTV? Could your provide a link.

    A quick google only revealed a bunch of right wing extremists blowing off steam.
     
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    The first link. I wad wrong to say one network. The company involved is Viacom, but as soon as I saw the letters MTV, I was done.
     
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    Wow, I pull up Google News and this thing has blown up. Anybody care to explain what happened?

    What I find most mindboggling about all this is that the failure here should never have happened. There doesn't seem to be an problem with the content when I look at it - just the assignments and opacity of subject matter. Individually, I don't think the two items would be an issue, but together it had to be obvious that it would blow up in the White House's face. The activities seemed directed towards dealing with an Obama commentary on civics, which I would encourage, especially since I think modern America is beginning to take "civics" to mean "if they don't agree with you, they are retards." The opacity doesn't seem like it would be a big deal - that the POTUS is speaking to kids is fine, and you have to trust him to be responsible. It's not like they pulled in some random guy off the street.

    Before the election, Obama's PR folks would have never let this happen, but now it seems like they have all gotten lazy. Everything is polarized these days, with people opposing each other based on party lines, even when they would normally agree. Hiding the topic of the speech these days just isn't smart politically. Especially when debate has gotten hot and heavy over major policy shifts. Could you imagine what would have happened if Bush was going to address the kids of America in Jan or Feb 2003? Riots on the left.

    Does all of this fuss sense? Like this post, no.
    Is the fuss surprising to anybody who isn't living under a rock? Only to the WH.
     
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    I can't speak for the rest of the left, but if Bush kept it nonpolitical I really wouldn't give a damn.
     
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    The uproar is just so effing ludicrous. The level of political discourse in this country sinks to a new low almost daily. I'd imagine each party is lining up their ducks for the next big fight- should the toilet paper roll over the top or from the bottom?:rolleyes:
     
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    If a British politician did this people would praise it as allowing young people to appreciate politics as they are generally disinterested. It wouldn't be a massive story - I didn't realise it was in the US...
     
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    It wasn't a massive story when Reagan or Daddy Bush did it. It's only a massive story when a Democrat does it :rolleyes:
     
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    Sorry to have to be the one to point it out:

    Its because he's black.

    Thats it.
     
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    Yeah, pretty much.
     
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    But, that's the problem here. The organizers have done such a piss-poor job of setting this up, most folks can't tell that this is as non-political as it can get. Making it difficult to get accurate info becomes a ratings bonanza for folks with an interest in fanning the flames. I believe that you wouldn't have cared if Bush left it nonpolitical, but going in wouldn't you have been the least bit concerned about what it would be?

    It took me a while to find the info on what this is supposed to be about, and I consider myself a savvy user of the innerwebs. You think most folks are going to have an easy time trusting this?

    As for the assertion that hullabaloo has to do with race, I doubt that. This is politics, pure and simple. I have seen no proof that the issue is that some black dude wants to talk to white kids. I mean, if you really want to go down that path, I'll counter that assertion with a baseless and pointless one of my own. People don't want him to speak because he's a Christian, and we know how people feel about those types.
     
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    In the UK noone would assume otherwise, unless he started campaigning when he got there.
     
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    Every single article I've read about the address clearly states that it's a nonpartisan message telling kids how important education is and to stay in school. I know journalists do like to pull things out of their backsides every now and then, but surely they can't all be in on the great conspiracy to turn our children into Hitler youth.
     
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    Perhaps there has been greater clarification. Once I found my answer, I stopped thinking about this (until Google shoved it back in my face).

    From what you are saying and my personal observation, it looks like they got their act together, just a little too late to quell the wildfire. I went up and down the wh.gov site and found nothing. Information should have been readily available. Should it need to be done? No. But, once again, the politically charged atmosphere of a) the post-Clinton era and b) the health care broohaha should have made someone think, "hey, the POTUS is popular and that means that his appearance will get publicized. Someone may want to know what what the POTUS is going to talk about. Maybe I should mention it on the website or let the mainstream media know." Instead it was a press release from the production and a leaked guidance document. Of course the conspiracy theorists would have a field day.

    Kind of like the AF1 promo shot, they fixed it, but the damage from the hysteria has been done. Someone's head will roll, and I will keep wondering how Dick Cheney got to Obama's PR staff.
     
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    One would assume that whomever is doing PR for the Republican UHC-Smearthon is also working on this. :rolleyes:




     
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    Not only are they also working on it, they are actually earning their paychecks.:eek:
     
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    You forgot the whole thing:

    It's because he's a white-hating, communist, muslim black guy. :rolleyes: God, these people are idiots. I'm sorry, there is no other word.
     
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    Next person who brings race into a thread where its not involved is getting slapped in the face with a fish. Its not because hes black, this same outcry would have happened if Hillary were president, she would have been called hitler, socialist, etc also.

    His mom/grandmother were white, I doubt he is a white-hater, I don't know where people get the idea he hates white people (beck perhaps).
     
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    Then what's the problem with these people? If Obama isn't campaigning in schools, what is the problem? No one here freaked out when Bush visited schools.

    You missed my sarcasm? I don't think Obama hates white people. But a lot of conservatives apparently do, including fivepoint's man, Glenn Beck. A lot of them also think he's a socialist muslim. Would you like me to find quotes for you?
     
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    Not sure, his message seems well intended, our kids need a kick in the ass, and parents don't seem to be willing to do the legwork to make sure their kids are getting a full education.

    No need, I am sure the accusations are out there. I tend not to pay attention to them.
     

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