ObamaCare - over 700 waivers approved

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  1. HyperX13 macrumors 6502

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    Over 700 waivers for ObamaCare have been approved - and a lot of them to the unions that pushed for Obama Care. What is going on here?

    http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations/approved_applications_for_waiver.html

     
  2. thefnshow macrumors regular

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    either everybody has to follow obamacare or nobody does...waivering groups that contributed to his campaign is a slap in the face to everybody else
     
  3. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    It doesn't say anything about groups that contributed to the campaign. The OP mentions only that the groups pushed for the plan.

    To the OP, do you have a source identifying which businesses pushed for it and are on the link you've given above?
     
  4. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Do you even know what the waivers are for? Until you post the reasoning or explanation behind the waivers, and then a connection to Obama, this really doesn't mean anything.

    A connection may exist and the waivers may not be for legitimate business reasons, but we don't know that based on the OP.

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    Choice A - Deny waiver, and insurance for part time workers dropped
    Choice B - Grand waiver, insurance maintained for part time workers

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2010-10-07-healthlaw07_ST_N.htm
     
  5. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yes, that would be nice. I don't even understand what the OP is saying.
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    700 doesn't even really sound like that big of a number given size of the country.
     
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    Except, many of the waivers are being given to the largest companies who are threatening to cut insurance if not granted the waivers. McDonalds is the poster-child for this.
     
  8. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    I don't see McDonalds in the data from the link in the OP's post. Unless they're hidden under a parent company.
     
  9. HyperX13 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Not hard to find them, here are three

     
  10. SilentPanda, Jan 28, 2011
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    You stated "and a lot of them to the unions that pushed for Obama Care".

    3 is not a lot and the three you listed supported his campaign. It does not state that they pushed for Obama Care as you implied in your first post. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't see it in the information you presented.

    I guess my point is, you either made your statement based on data that you found and it should be shared with us, or you don't have enough data and the statement you made is opinion. If it's the former that's cool and I'd enjoy seeing the data. If it's the latter then this thread is mostly a waste isn't it?
     
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    So, the waivers do nothing more than allow insurance policies that have annual limits beyond 2014? This allows them to keep insurance policies after 2014 with annual limits?

    Doesn't seem like a complete waiver from "Obamacare" like you made it sound.
     
  12. leekohler macrumors G5

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    No- it sounds like a phase-in. What's wrong with that?
     
  13. HyperX13 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Over 700 named here in a nice graph

    http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations/approved_applications_for_waiver.html

    Too many to paste in as a reply (macrumors kicked it back)
     
  14. mcrain, Jan 28, 2011
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    The law has a phase in of the prohibition against annual limits. The waive seems to give them an extention or just an outright waiver for certain policy providers.

    Democrats are being forced to support the details of a crappy health care reform law that was based on the 1993 Republican proposals that Democrats said had problems in the first place. (Link) (Interesting Link on history of Republican Health Care policy - Did you know Clinton's proposal was based on Nixon's?)
    Should never have bothered trying to get their support. They should have just pushed for what would have worked in the first place.
     
  15. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    I agree that that is a list of the entities that received waivers. What I don't see is a subset of that list that fall into the "and a lot of them to the unions that pushed for Obama Care." That is the data I am curious about. Surely you have that data in order to make the assertion? Or am I confused?
     
  16. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    I'd like to see how many of those businesses supported McCain over Obama. Is that group larger than the other group?

    This story is total political BS, until there is some evidence that there is some level of actual bias in the granting of waivers, this is just a typical right-wing attempt to make a story out of nothing.
     
  17. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    This is what the waivers are for:

    "In order to protect coverage for these workers, the Affordable Care Act allows these plans to apply for temporary waivers from rules restricting the size of annual limits to some group health plans and health insurance issuers.

    Waivers only last for one year and are only available if the plan certifies that a waiver is necessary to prevent either a large increase in premiums or a significant decrease in access to coverage. In addition, enrollees must be informed that their plan does not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. No other provision of the Affordable Care Act is affected by these waivers: they only apply to the annual limit policy."
     
  18. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    All groups do this so I don't know that it's germane to this, or most, conversations in the PRSI.
     
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    (edit - snip - my bad) Nothing to see here, move along...
     
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    More and more happy to be covered under UHC everyday. What a complicated mess.
     
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    I thought you were young and healthy and didn't need healthcare. :confused:
     
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    Yeah, what happened to that?
     
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    See what happens when you move to Kommunist Kanada and experience socialism? They brainwash you! :D
     
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    I really don't. Haven't seen a doctor for at least 14 years and counting. The system is a lot less complicated though, and the government isn't forcing me into the pockets of companies whose sole purpose is to make profit. I don't even mind paying more taxes to just not have to worry about it.

    I can already see how this would be a great relief to corporations and small companies.
     
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    Brainwashed for sure! :) See how that works? That system works a lot better, doesn't it? You just said what all of us have been saying for years.
     

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