Obama's War on Success continues.

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by dime21, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/02/obama-budget-399-trillion-republicans/22695611/

    More taxes. More spending. Same-old same-old. Apparently the Democratic mind permanently ossified in 1934. Propose higher taxes and greater regulation on everyone and everything that's a net payer of taxes, creator of jobs, or showing any sign of resilience in the current environment.

    Promise ever more free stuff to be administered by an ever-growing Federal sugar-daddy to all favored classes. Socialism or bust!

    Does he really think Congress is going to approve this? Gridlock is better than any compromise that the Congress could make with this crooked Administration, and I believe that is what the public voted for in November. 2016 can't come soon enough.
     
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    Hey, here's an idea. To push people toward achieving REAL success, let's put 0% taxes to the richest 1%, and tax the rest at a strong 90%. It should work, right? :rolleyes:
     
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    When it comes to conservatives and success the saying "all in the eye of the beholder" really applies, lol.
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    From the OP's source ...

    The horror ... the horror. :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Honestly dime, if you just want to rot the U.S. into oblivion, then I can understand why you'd be against infrastructure and education.

    Good to know where you stand on those issues. I couldn't disagree more with your position.
     
  6. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Why not tax the rich? The top 0.1% of US families have the same wealth as the bottom 90% (see link). This is not about waging a war on success, as the OP naively put it. This is about stopping a runaway winner-take-all economic system that is not sustainable. The super-rich have two choices: (1) stop throwing their toys out of the pram when they are asked to contribute to society according to their ability or (2) face a real class war (you know, like lining people up against a wall and shooting them like in the Russian revolution, Cambodia, etc.), which will visit horror and disaster on both rich and poor alike. Personally, I prefer strongly option 1.

    @OP: Are you so situationally unaware that you think the new taxes might take money from you? If you're that rich, what on earth are you doing wasting your time in MR? Shouldn't you be taking your private jet to the Caymen Islands?
     
  7. nebo1ss macrumors 68030

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    Of course taxing Apple and others who are holding Billions of dollars of profit overseas to avoid US taxes would be a terrible thing. Especially if the money raised would be used for infrastructure purposes.

    These companies did not pay any overseas taxes on this money either because of the various loopholes they explore.

    In fact if this was implemented I suspect they would chose to repatriate the money and pay capital gains at the current rage. Why pay 15 percent and still have the problem of the money being overseas and needing to borrow to fund share buy backs.

    In fact it is interesting that Individual US residents have to declare all worldwide income and pay US taxes on it irrespective of where they live. One of the reasons I sent my Green card back to the US embassy a couple of years ago since I am no longer resident and no longer intend to live or work in the US.
     
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    Tell me about it. All signs point to 2016 being a bloodbath for Republicans. Have fun!

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    If by "the public" you mean 30% of registered voters, then sure.
     
  9. thekev macrumors 604

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    I don't feel like googling for a pot kettle reference, but you get the idea. I get the impression that your sole reason for posting is to jam in insults against a perceived group of people.
     
  10. dime21, Feb 3, 2015
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    I'm not at all against infrastructure improvement. In fact, I'm very much for it. It's long overdue, and it should transform unskilled welfare recipients into productive workers.

    Obama, on the other hand, doesn't see things this way. He inserted this infrastructure improvement, along with the defense spending increases as a concession to Republicans. And he's tied both of these, to his massive spending increases in domestic welfare programs. Make no mistake, Obama despises infrastructure improvement, just as much as he despises defense spending. He didn't include either of these for the past six years because he didn't have to, what with his Harry Reid lap dog running the Senate. He's making concessions, nothing more.

    It isn't news to me that the 0.1% holds the same percentage of wealth as the bottom 90%, but the real news is about why this is the case. Which you've ignored.

    Look a graph of the 0.1% vs. the bottom 90%. The inequality all begins about 15 years ago. The dot com bubble bursting caused the middle class to be distrustful of equities, and they pulled their money out of the market. This is about the time the housing boom was getting started, which is exactly where the middle class plunked their dollars. We all know how that worked out. Obama's Quantitative Easing policies pushed the equity markets to bold new heights, and the wealth of the 0.1% along with it, but did little to bolster the middle class, whose primary investment is their home. In other words, if you've been awake for the past 15 years, you'd realize that this series of events is what's led to the current wealth distribution, not some systemic flaw of the US system. Give it some time, and it will correct itself.

    Pull your head out of the sand, the view is much better from up here.

    Because it doesn't work? The rich, i.e. the 0.1% will simply move their money over seas and out of the US. Apparently this is the brilliant liberal scheme to bolster our economy, by discouraging investment. Lol :rolleyes:

    Hahahahahahahaha! I haven't laughed this long in days! Apparently you were asleep during the November elections. You know, the one where America overwhelmingly voted Republican, as a rejection of six years of crooked Obama policy. 2016 election is going to look a LOT like 2014. :D Your delusions of grandeur are comical, lol.
     
  11. dime21 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    In 8 years Obama has increased US debt by more than the all other presidents combined. Let that sink in for a moment.

    He was at 8 Trillion when the came to office, calling GWB Un-American for his spending. Now at 16 Trillion and counting, B.O. has no one to blame but himself. Yet clueless as ever, he always finds a way to blame others, for problems he's created.

    At the end of the day, Obama will go go down as the wost president in US history. He has made us weaker, poorer, and more divided than at nearly any time since the civil war. This must be that hope-n-change he was talking about.
     
  12. iBlazed macrumors 68000

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    Source?


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    I love it, put unskilled people to work on rebuilding and fixing infrastructure.

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    Wait that means we have to teach them the skills to fix and rebuild the infrastructure in the first place. I guess means your true position is more taxes that you're initially against.
     
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    Republican feelings. They said some incredibly nasty comments about the president and went so far as to question whether he was even an American citizen who could rightfully hold the position of president. Conspiracy theorist rubbish isn't unusual with the extreme fringes of the party, but it seemed as if the mainstream party accepted some of those questionings. Did any other president in history face such scrutiny and vile accusations? Probably not, and those who didn't buy into it rightfully called it out as being crazy. To which those who believed it (and dime21 sounds like the type of guy who bought into it), this represented a horrible polarization.

    And it was... kind of like the way there's a polarization between the inmates and nurses in a locked psychiatric ward. I don't blame Obama for this, though; I blame the people who tried to fan people's passions. Most of that blame lies with Republicans, but I think there were a fair number of Democrats who enjoyed it because they knew that it would incite a passionate counter in their own base.

    I'm tired of the two-party system and the cheerleaders who want to turn Democrats vs. Republicans into some sort of sports game.
     
  15. SLC Flyfishing, Feb 3, 2015
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    Yeah, probably not :rolleyes:

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  16. Ledgem macrumors 65816

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    If you want to disagree, I'd appreciate any examples. Politics was never a friendly, fluffy affair, but to try and create a divide by implying that the president is a foreigner? That's pretty low. To the best of my knowledge, no other president faced such an accusation.

    I see you edited your post to show manipulated images portraying negativity against George Bush. Those aren't accusations, those are people creating unflattering images of then-President Bush - and similar images exist for Obama. I don't recall anyone accusing Bush of "hating success," "hating America" (two accusations that are so ridiculous that they can't even be argued against), or not being eligible to be the president. I recall hearing accusations that Bush hated the poor, but that doesn't qualify as being on the same level of vitriol, in my opinion.
     
  17. thekev macrumors 604

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    You really quoted that out of context.
     
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    He asked a question "did any other president in history experience such scrutiny and vile accusations?"

    I provided an answer. I can very very easily provide many more, from mainstream sources if needed. They're quite plentiful.

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    Bush was regularly scrutinized and disrespected far worse than anything I've read or heard about Obama.
     
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    Such as? The above examples can also be found with Obama effigy. So it really comes down to what you think is "worse".
     
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    I disagree; I am fairly certain that for each image you posted showing disrespect for Bush, I can probably find an extremely similar (if not worse) image for Obama. However, I recognize that ranking the degree of disrespect is a very subjective thing, so it's likely impossible for us to reach an agreement on this.

    I'm guessing that you feel the way that you do because you voted for Bush and were anti-Obama. I voted for Obama (although I am far from a blind supporter) and was anti-Bush at the time. Most of the anti-Bush sentiments were about how the results of the election against Gore were illegitimate (nothing against Bush himself), about how Bush had weaseled out of armed service, or about how he had been a pothead in college who passed with all C's (an accusation that the extreme right came close to levying against Obama when they repeatedly demanded his college transcripts). The accusations about Halliburton and other companies running the government's agenda weren't very nice, either, and were arguably conspiracy theories, but given the amount of lobbying and money flowing into the government from private companies, I'm hesitant to group those accusations on the same playing field as what we've seen from the far right.

    Those are disrespectful statements, to be sure, but the disrespect (and when disproven by birth certificate, insanity) behind claiming that the president isn't a natural-born citizen, or stating that he is anti-American? It's not just disrespectful, but dangerous. While they've simmered down, there were reports of various groups plotting to overthrow the government or kill the president because he was an anti-American, Muslim foreigner. Nobody was talking about assassinating Bush just because he smoked marijuana in college.
     
  21. thekev macrumors 604

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    I was pointing out that he relegated the weird conspiracy theories to the wingnuts prior to Obama.
     
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    There's just one quick example. If you think Bush didn't endure worse denigration than Obama has then you were either taking part in it, it you weren't paying attention...
     
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    How can anyone in congress, in the executive branch, or the high-ranking military justify a defense spending increase when the US outspends the next thirteen countries COMBINED on defense ?

    :rolleyes:
     
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    So one man's tirade about Bush equates to being worse the any tirade against Obama and everything else he's subjected to?



    lol
     

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