Ohio School shooting

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  1. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    One of the students has since died since the BBC report came out.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17182562

     
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    This is close to my home. This is a quiet community and that makes it even harder to understand.
     
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    Haven't read the article or anything. In fact, just heard about it from this thread.

    If it's a quiet community I bet it's either related to bullying, or homosexuality.
     
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    That's what they're saying. For those wishing to watch live local coverage, you can see it at www.wkyc.com. They've been streaming a live newscast since it occurred this morning (7:30am Eastern).
     
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    The US really has it the worst with school shootings. Check these out from 2000+ alone..

    2000–2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2001–2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2002–2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2003–2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2004–2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2005–2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2006–2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2007–2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2008–2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
    2009–2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

    The UK has only had one incident in recent history and that was in 1996. Something really isn't right, there shouldn't be so many shootings.
     
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    Columbine, Jonesboro, Chardon. These all seem to happen in "quiet communities".
     
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    Apparently the kid said on twitter last night that he was going to do this, very sad.
     
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    Wow! - I watched Bowling for Columbine once, really really crazy what some people can do :|
     
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    Probably because the UK doesn't have as many guns floating around for kids to get ahold of, things like this make me wonder how many more people have to die before we in the US finally realize that there are too many guns and they are too easy for kids to get ahold of.
     
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    The issue is not guns, its why are we letting these kids fall between the cracks and only see the warning signs when its too late.
     
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    Psst. We have bullied kids in the UK too.
     
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    And what is the worst those kids have done to themselves or others?

    Kids being bullied is going too far already.
     
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    They aren't going around shooting up canteens like in Ohio today.
     
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    Ok we established that you don't have guns there, but what ARE they doing?
     
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    But that's just one example of a bullied kid in a school, which is a rare form of firearm crime in the US, so it would be wrong to use it as a focus point in a discussion of guns. Shootings aren't limited to schools of course, or people who are bullied.

    That doesn't include Florida or Illinois (data wasn't available)
     
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    It's also a violation of the law for persons under 21 to obtain handguns.

    Oh, and those who trade liberty for security deserve neither. To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin.

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    How many of those firearms were obtained legally?

    *Hint* Not very many

    Make it criminal to own firearms, and only the criminals will have them. You'll take away the opportunity of the population to legitimately defend themselves while not solving the problem of crime.
     
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    Benjamin Franklin is an expert on gun crime in the 21st Century or what? Maybe quote some Voltaire next, I'm sure that'll win the day.
     
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    School shootings are because a kid was bullied and they felt left out. To stop school shootings you need to get to the core of why these kid feel this way.
     
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    The problem is guns in the wrong hands. The parents in this case were obviously not keeping their guns away from their kids.
     
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    Ok. How far back can somebody be quoted before it's not relevant?

    What's your arbitrary criteria for determining that?
     
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    School shootings isn't limited to bullied kids, or even pupils. Gun crime isn't restricted to schools.
     
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    This thread is not about gun crimes, its about a kid shooting up a school. So how do we stop these kids from going over the edge.
     
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    I don't think the goal is to make guns illegal. It is to take them out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them. It is far too easy to hurt someone else with a gun than it is with a knife or a slingshot. That is why so many murders in the US are from guns. We simply have so many of them.
     
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    That's why there are national background checks, safety courses for concealed carry permits, etc....

    The laws are fine. The problem is that occasionally some disgruntled idiot gets his hands on daddy's handgun.

    Solution?

    Lock up your god damn guns and hold parents accountable for the misuse of them by their children.

    you will never, and can never have a perfectly safe society

    oh and of course end the war on drugs so the police force has more resources to focus on running down violent criminals instead of kids smoking weed.
     
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    There isn't one issue here. There is the bullying, and there is the gun crime. Both are widespread social issues. The whole world has the bullying problem, the whole world doesn't have the gun problem.

    It's worrying how anyone would want to brush the gun aspect under the carpet so quickly.
     

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