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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by PracticalMac, Apr 19, 2013.
No. We elected democrats past two years.
Well...that's not exactly the whole story.
Yeah, Ohio went for Obama twice. And one of our senators is Sherrod Brown. But the statehouse is overwhelmingly Republican, and has been for a while.
We're also a geopolitically weird state. Cleveland has a lot of Democrats, and as you go south toward Columbus the party affiliation gets mixed, and by the time you get to Cincinnati you're deep into Republican territory.
Ok? So why are you trying to paint the state as a "red" one then? New Jersey and California must be republican. After all, their governors are/were.
Ohio delegates to the House of Representatives ...
Definitely more red than blue there.
And the population voted for President Obama. Which is blue.
THat's like saying the US is Republican because the Republicans have the majority of the House.
And, the House 2011-2013 was 21 Red - 13 Blue.
And the Senate is split
And the Governor is Republican.
It's a swing state. You definitely can't say it's "Republican leaning".
Okay. Let's look at the state legislature then.
So let's add up the score.
State Representatives Republican (70%)
State Senate Republican (60%)
U.S. Representatives Republican (75%)
U.S. Senate Republican, Democrat
U.S. President Democrat
Looking at the overall picture I think Ohio could easily be described as leaning Republican.
Is he suggesting that conservative voices are being censored?
But when it comes to the population of Ohio voting for a president, they chose a Democrat.
So no. Not republican leaning.
Clinging to a POV regardless of the amount of evidence to the contrary.
Clinging to faulty reasoning to jump to conclusions.
Like the US House of Representatives, Ohio and other states have representatives which represent rural areas, so the voting population is in fact underrepresented.
(Please try to stick to Ohio)
Then here for state reps:
And here's the state map:
Can you explain how that map substantiates your point that, Ohio's voting population is in fact underrepresented?
Yeah too easy. Places like District 4, which constitute a large rural area, and probably less than 200,000 people have the same voting weight as places like District 13 with a larger population. Akron alone is over half a million.
Either way. No matter what kind of argument you try and make from how these representatives are distributed, the bottom line is that the majority of voting Ohioans voted for Obama. So any claim that the state is right-leaning is incorrect.
Ohio is a swing state. Frankly, it's pretty much middle of the road depending on where you go/are.
This off-topic conversation has dissolved into absolutist absurdity.
Perhaps you should stop with the off topic, absurd comments?
Well, that's pretty ironic considering that you have turned my innocuous comment into a ****storm.
Calm the hell down for a second and go back and re-read the first page. PracticalMac asked if Ohio was right-leaning. You said no, we elected Democrats the last two years.
That could've left the impression that Ohio was left-leaning. I wanted to clarify that there is a mixture of Republican and Democratic voting in the state. On some levels it's more blue (Obama), on others it's more red (statehouse and US House). And of course presidentially, Ohio has been considered a swing state for a long time, which you acknowledge in post #72.
All of that is easily verifiable, as citizenzen has pointed out to you. I don't know why you have a problem with that, or with me explaining that Ohio is not as simple as simply saying it voted Democratic the last two times.
Isn't there a mixture of democrat and republican in most, if not all states?
Ohio is a battleground state that has leaned left the last 2 elections, it certainly has not gone right.
Well. No I didn't. I just said that Ohio voted for a democrat for president the last two elections. Saying that it's right leaning is incorrect.
Yeah. Exactly. And then the "*****torm" ensued when a people tried to prove that Ohio was right leaning.
Yup. And noticed how I pointed it out?
He didn't verify anything. Perhaps you misunderstand what's been going on? He's been trying to demonstrate that it's right leaning, which is in direct disagreement with your post here.
Well nothing you're saying is contradicting anything I've said. So idk what in the world I would have a problem with, with your posts, nor do I understand why you're arguing with me and not Citizenzen who is making the claim that it's right leaning, when you're agreeing with me that it's a swing state and that it doesn't lean one way or another.
Here's my original post:
Again, all that was was additional information. You responded with:
Now tell me where in the world I was trying to "paint the state red"? If anything, I made it abundantly clear that I thought the state defied such a simple categorization.
I will not argue with citizenzen. I understand his viewpoint because it's a valid one: one could convincingly argue that Ohio is right-leaning because -- despite its being a swing state -- the statehouse and its Congressional delegation have been more Republican than Democratic for most of the last 18 years.
Because you argued when I rebutted the "conservative leaning" comment. And you can equally argue its left leaning then , because the voting population elected a democrat.
And his point of view is incompatible with yours. He claimed it right leaning, you claimed it swing.
As well as it's voters overall. According to this source even Ohio's registered voters are 1% (37% – 36%) more Republican than Democrat.
And you and I are not arguing. I haven't been responding to your initial argument. I've been responding to eric/'s untenable position that "any claim that the state is right-leaning is incorrect."
If eric/ ever wants to know why it's sometimes difficult to remain civil in a discussion with him, he might want to consider his refusal to incorporate evidence to inform his point of view.
Because it's not. 1% means nothing. It's a swing state. You're wrong. Move along.
The least he could do is refute your evidence, and we haven't seen that yet. He's been talking around our posts without disproving the substance of them. Clinging to the idea that presidential elections are the determinant of whether a state is red, blue or swing is bad enough, but then adding that it's possible to argue that Ohio is a blue state???
...And he lives here!
Where did I argue Ohio was a blue state?
I've only argued it to be a swing state, which you agree with.
Again, not sure why you're arguing with me, and not with the guy claiming it's a right leaning state.
And isn't Ohio conservative leaning?
Moved from the Thanks for being civil! thread.