Oklahoma restaurant won’t serve ‘freaks,’ ‘f*ggots,’ the disabled and welfare recipie

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Sadly, I think we have some regular posters in here who think this cretin should be allowed to get away with this. How sad that this has gone on for decades and the town condones it.


    See video here.


     
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    Surely he's going to go out of business any down now, right?

    Right?

    I mean, the free market heals every wound and gives everyone a puppy!
     
  5. thehustleman macrumors 65816

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    Someone thinks it's ok for this?

    You said regular posters, I haven't encountered anyone that would cosign this idiot
     
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    I have no problem with "his" opinion. It is sad to say the least and certainly not a business model I would condone. I also don't see any point in suing him. It is pretty clear if you go there once or twice you will see what a bigot he is. If you don't share those values then DON'T patronize his business. At some point you would think he would have no customers and have no choice but to close his business. I'm sure it won't take long now.
     
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    There you go.
     
  8. bradl, Feb 7, 2014
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    For those not in the know about the Sacramento area, just a few miles up the road from us here is the suburb of Granite Bay, home to one Jeff Keith, of the band Tesla.

    I mention him because of a remake of a song they did back in the late 1980s that is apropos here.

    With that:

    Yet you don't understand that while he has a right to refuse service and is entitled to his own personal opinion, the moment that opinion transfers to his business, he runs afoul of various Civil Rights Acts, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and could be sued for discrimination. His business could be challenged and shut down. And "not patronizing" his business doesn't cut it for the things he's said and done.

    People haven't done anything about it yet because this is still the the South, and they are used to The Way It Is. Don't get me started on that one and that song again, because everything said in that one rings true and smacks his opinion, and your response to his opinion upside the head.

    On a side note, my next trip to Oklahoma may take me through Enid; I might… just might stop there with my wife and children and watch his head spin faster than Linda Blair in The Exorcist. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of a Black/Amer. Indian, interracially married who has a disability (she's blind), with interracial kids, who make more money than him and his restaurant combined.

    BL.
     
  9. Septembersrain Contributor

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    I don't agree with the owner but just as I have the freedom to disagree, he's got his own freedoms. I just wouldn't ever give him my business. I believe that karma will catch up to him and as they say "What comes around goes around.".
     
  10. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Clearly a failure of the free market, as you have told us it would work. How else do you explain the other article posted from 2009?
     
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    When one freedom clashes against another freedom, which freedom takes precedence?

    The guy has a right to his opinions, and who he chooses to serve, correct? What about the freedom for a family to go out and grab a bite to eat without having their evening ruined by some jackass screaming "WE DON'T SERVE YOUR KIND HERE" just because they happen to be black, gay, paraplegic, or in between jobs?
     
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    On top of that, should not ANY child, regardless of raceme, be subject to any of that sentiment? I mean, what a great way to be the example to the child of a 3rd party of what it is like and how to be racist or bigoted than discriminating against someone of a different race, religious background, disability, or in between jobs?

    BL.
     
  13. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    He has the right to his opinions, but not the right to discriminate people at his place of business. He should be sued, cause everyone should have the right to eat and drink at any business that offers that service.
     
  14. Septembersrain Contributor

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    I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather take the higher road and not attack him. I was once told that if I had nothing nice to say, sometimes it's better to say nothing at all. If he does things like this, he will eventually eat a dose of his own medicine. He owns a business, if people avoid him like the plague, he'll eventually go under. I could yell, scream, curse and have a fit but how would I be accomplishing anything? Tact and subtle discrepancies keep things legal when having those "Freedom precedence clashes".

    This is just my opinion of course.
     
  15. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Problem is race is a protected class and can't be denied due to it. So this guy is doing something illegal already.
     
  16. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    He's perfectly within his rights to withhold his services if he has a legitimate reason. A bar not allowing bikers to wear their jackets or colors is a legitimate reason. It might sound stupid at first blush, but it is reasonable. The owner could say he doesn't want any fights to break out between rival biker gangs.

    Whether or not this restaurant owner has a legitimate reason or not. I can't say. But would you really want to eat in a place that thinks less of you than the stuff they step in while on a ranch? Even if you win the lawsuit and they HAVE to serve you, you know how slighted waitstaff can act? Imagine what kind of stuff the owner would put into your food.:eek::eek::eek: I would rather eat somewhere else. It's not worth the hassle. I'm guessing these freaks, f*ggots, disabled and welfare recipies feel the same way.

    I'm surprised he's still in business with the sort of attitude.
     
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    Anyone who eats and drinks in such a business is also (morally) party to the (illegal) discrimination. But, I guess there isn't anyplace else for his customers to go in Enid for entertainment. It must be a fun town.

    For anyone reading this in or near Enid, I have a suggestion -- move to a blue state ASAP.
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Now I'm not claiming you said this, but a number of people blame moderate Muslims for not reining in their extreme counterparts.

    So I'll ask ... doesn't the same thing apply to us?

    Is it not the responsibility of the more reasonable and moderate among us to call out those with extreme points of view?
     
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    No, they shouldn't. Anyone who subjects a child to such treatment, regardless of their personal beliefs, deserves to a good backhanding.

    My opinion on the matter is that the guy doesn't have to like anyone, but he does have to tolerate them. He's a private entrepreneur of a public business, and as a public business, he has to serve...you guessed it...the public. And that, by definition, means anyone and everyone, including those he doesn't particularly like. He has to abide by the laws of the land, regardless of his personal opinions. If he doesn't like it, he can write to his congressman or close up shop and start a protest.

    We can't allow anyone their prejudices when it comes to public matters, lest we introduce a slippery slope. Do any of us here, political affiliations aside, want to deal with another Jim Crow?
     
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    it's emblematic that the guy (rightly) complaining now about discrimination, was fine with it as long as the discrimination was against other groups

    first they came for the socialists....
     
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    I really want to add something to this but I have nothing. I'm just shocked and amazed.
     
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    Yeah but since I'm not in any of his prejudices, nothing I could do would be legal. I'm all for anyone who would lash out to him in a legal way. I just don't see me being able to change that person without repercussions.
     
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    According to the news story, it sounds like somebody HAS challenged him.

    I respect the guy's right to his opinions, but the atmosphere of the place doesn't sound like one I would enjoy. Why would I fight for the right to take my family there if he were to discriminate against me?

    Suing a place for the right to patronize it doesn't make any sense to me. I'd rather eat somewhere else.
     
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    First of all, it's a small town in Oklahoma. There probably isn't another bar around for 20 miles.

    Secondly, it's the principal of the matter. If it were me, I'd be suing the guy just to make an example out of him.
     

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