I have been console-less for some time, my last was an xbox I sold to my aunt and uncle on the cheap because I barely used it and they couldn't afford a new one for my cousin's birthday. Before that I had a PS1 and thats about my console experiance, besides a PSP and GBA, both of which I sold, both times in favor of iPods (3G dead, and new 5G). I always played on my PC, and I do sometimes on my MBP- and I imagine I may when I install windows. However, I've got a real yearning to play some PS2 games lately- GTA: SA a couple of the FF games and most of all Metal Gear Solid. I realize the 360 is out and the PS3 is coming, but I am working on a budget, and an $89 refurb w/ game is sounding nice. However, it is the older, fat design, and I am wondering if there is any difference at all between the two, and if there is, is it worth the extra $10 w/o game? Opinions? Ideas? Links to sites with $89 pre-release PS3s? Thanks! Edit: I realize this might go in buying advice but I figured that this i more of a PS2 to PS2 comparison so I would post it here...mods, feel free to throw this over to its proper place.