Olive Garden backs out on promise to cut down full-time staff because of Obamacare

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  1. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    They will all back out eventually. Treat your employees well, and your customers will be happy in return. It's amazing how many companies still don't understand this. If you piss off your employees, your customers will feel that. This is especially true in the food industry, I don't want to go to a restaurant with pissed off servers and cooks for multiple reasons!

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  2. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    Glad to see it worked. I hope people who stopped going make sure to visit both places now to show their support of the owners changing their plans.
     
  3. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I know i will. I love those cheddar bay biscuits at red lobster
     
  4. zioxide macrumors 603

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    All of these companies are making it so easy for me to decide where to eat. :D

    Never going to Papa John's, Denny's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, or any other of these places again. Not that it's a big loss anyways, because the products they all put on the table are garbage anyways.
     
  5. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    I know right? They are great. Funny how every now and then I have to go to Red lobster. I just have to!!! My wife finds it sickening and she likes seafood. Much rather pay a little more for a better place, even a better chain like Legal Seafood. So I sneak out with the kids everynow and then and she doesn't mind missing it a bit.
     
  6. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, chain restaurants are everyone's guilty pleasure. I know olive garden is a pathetic excuse for italian food, but it's still so yummy!
     
  7. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    Unlimited salad, soup and bread sticks. Why, you can't afford NOT to eat there!!!
     
  8. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Papa Johns actually changed their tune a while ago as well:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-h-schnatter/papa-johns-obamacare_b_2166209.html

    Personally, I'm still going to get my pizza from a local shop, or do take-home from Papa Murphy's, but at least we know how much of what was said was not true.

    I'm waiting for those who supported Schnatter's original claim to scream 'evil librool media bias', when it was among conservative ranks that this story got blown out of proportion.

    BL.
     
  9. Orange Crane macrumors 6502

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    Right? Why is it all this attitude is coming from the most ***** mcfood places in the country? Race to the bottom, no thank you.
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Because they were foolish tantrums from butt-hurt Republicans, based far more on hurt feelings than any actual business concern.

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Oh, I agree, they were pissy about it, and their backpeddling doesn't change the fact of how oversensationalized this became.

    But I also note that most of that over-sensationalization and condoning it (read: egging it on), came from right-wing media outlets, not anything centrist, left, or nonpartisan at all.

    Yes, complaints were seen about it on both sides, but no real credible outlet egged this thing on, and it was primarily those on the right that were up in arms over it.

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  12. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    Nothing has really changed in their long term outlook. As full time employes get laid off or leave through attrition they will be replaced with part-timers. Saying that they won't move full-timers to part-timers was just for publicity.
     
  13. Moyank24 macrumors 601

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    And you don't think blaming potential layoffs on Obamacare was for publicity? For all we know the potential layoffs or new part-time hires will be the result of poor business decisions - but why not blame it on Obamacare because apparently (based on how the GOP took these stories and ran with them) it's what some people want to hear.
     
  14. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Too late. They shouldn't have tried to make a political statement to begin with. They're a pizza joint, not a super-pac, and the election just passed and the people have spoken. Deal with it.

    Besides, their pizza is absolute garbage anyways.
     
  15. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    When the Government burdens businesses with increased expenses as a business you need to make adjustments. It is called "Math". What does the GOP have to do with this?
     
  16. Moyank24 macrumors 601

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    When I say GOP, I mean those who voted against Obama as well as the conservative news media who took these stories and used them as an example why Obamacare is awful and going to ruin the country. It was a portion of the media pandering to those who were upset the election was lost and were looking for any ammunition.

    Of course, it was all mostly blown out of proportion.
     
  17. zioxide macrumors 603

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    The GOP has to do with this because these Republican business owners felt the need to make a political statement through their business. I don't care if you like Obamacare or not, the people spoke on November 6th. The majority of the people want to keep Obamacare, so these Republican business owners need to deal that instead of making crybaby political statements that they are going to have to add "Obamacare taxes" on to the bills in their establishment.

    Are they going to itemize every single other operating cost on the check now too? So I can go in to a restaurant and my check looks like this?

    2 Sam Adams 10.00
    2 Burgers 20.00
    Sub total 30.00
    Electricity fee 0.50
    Heat fee 0.50
    Water fee 0.50
    Staff wages 2.00
    Obamacare fee 0.50

    Total ???

    Are they making bills like that now? If not, it's just some bitter crybaby republicans who can't get over the fact that they lost and feel the need to make some bull **** political statement through their business. If you want to get in to politics, open a super-pac, not a pizza joint.
     
  18. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    Olive Garden will not have to reduce any full time staff to part time, they have a year to reduce their workforce, and they will simply do so through attrition, hiring part time employees to replace full time employees who left.

    Walmart will be doing the same thing.

    When its cheaper to pay the federal healthcare penalty (really just a tax) than it is to pay the private insurance premiums for your employees, the government has already made the business decision for millions of businesses.
     
  19. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Yep.. replace loyal workers with part time staff, so they wouldn't have to pay for their benefits, all to keep their bottom line and profits up so they can take home a big fat check and their benefits for their families, while their employees get the shaft.

    Putting money and profits above people.. Real nice leadership qualities there..

    Reminds me of why I don't shop at Walmart.

    BTW.. thank you for reminding us of how leadership fails.

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  20. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    These companies have been doing that for years. Obamacare is simply a convenient scapegoat.
     
  21. Moyank24 macrumors 601

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    Exactly....

    And we have the usual suspects falling for the party line hook, line, and sinker.
     
  22. thekev macrumors 604

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    This isn't anything new. Many companies already avoid full time classification. Smaller ones often employ methods that aren't always legal. The term permalance comes to mind. For that situation the IRS actually had a preliminary checklist to determine if someone might be an employee even if they're classified as an independent contractor.
     
  23. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    It's just another unintended consequence of the government attempting to drive behavior with the tax code.
     
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    Before you know it, we're going to be exactly like those lazy bastards in Europe.

    You know, more likely to start our own businesses, generally more self reliant, and considerably more healthy.

    edit: holy crap. It's like they're more American than we are. :O
     
  25. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Government has nothing to do with the leadership qualities these business owners claim to have but are not holding themselves to.

    Like I said, they are more concerned with the bottom lines of their business, and more importantly, the profits coming from the products they sell. What they fail to realize is that products don't move the people in and out of their stores more, it is that people move the products. And if those companies don't invest in the people that get them their products, their precious bottom lines and profits will wither away due to their own bouts of corporate narcissism. Yet they continue to devalue the people that mean more to them than the products they sell.

    On top of that, they provide no examples on how things should run; no personal examples. And leadership without examples to follow = management, and piss-poor management at that.

    Hell, even those companies whose CEOs dropped their salaries to $1 for an entire year in the early 2000s provided a bigger example than the CEOs now. Yet they would rather replace people with part-timers and devalue their roles than take one for the company themselves.

    Piss. Poor. Leadership.

    BL.

    P.S. Full disclosure: I own and run a leadership development business.
     

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