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Plutonius

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An interesting interview with third party candidate Jill Stein. In it, she claims that Hillary is much more dangerous to our country then Trump and that Hillary would be more likely then Trump to start a nuclear war.

After reading her statements, do you think that she is generally correct in her analysis ?

Is she correct in saying that Trump wants to work with Russia while Hillary doesn't ?
 
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thermodynamic

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I think people are waiting for the rabid anti-vaxxers to return their polio shots, to claim her plans are utterly unrealistic^, and for scores of men and/or women to say she groped them since that's the only thing people give a **** about despite how shallow and ******** it all is since even our forefathers had their less-than-noble sides as well and nobody cares about them despite all the more well-known (and often taken out of context!) quotes of the forefathers they freely use...

^ you know, like how going to the moon was just pure fantasy but nobody wallowed in "oh we can't do that" back then and compared to some of Jill's ideas, how the hell are they more impossible than going to the moon when society is what we make of it!!!
 

twietee

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I don't know Jill Stein - but this just looks like some serious jumping to conclusions:


[...]
It is now Hillary Clinton that wants to start an
air war with Russia over Syria by calling for a no fly zone.

We have 2000 nuclear missiles on hairtrigger alert.
They are saying we are closer to a nuclear war than we have ever been.

Under Hillary Clinton, we could slide into nuclear war
very quickly from her declared policy in Syria.

[...]​


First sentence, first issue: Promoting a no Fly zone equals already an air war with Russia?
Second sentence, second issue: Who is "they"? And what makes "them" believe that?
Third sentence: Great headline!

Is she usually that quick or is this somewhat a summary of her in-depth analysis over time which one would have to know in order to follow her here?
 

DrewDaHilp1

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I don't know Jill Stein - but this just looks like some serious jumping to conclusions:


[...]
It is now Hillary Clinton that wants to start an
air war with Russia over Syria by calling for a no fly zone.

We have 2000 nuclear missiles on hairtrigger alert.
They are saying we are closer to a nuclear war than we have ever been.

Under Hillary Clinton, we could slide into nuclear war
very quickly from her declared policy in Syria.

[...]​


First sentence, first issue: Promoting a no Fly zone equals already an air war with Russia?
Second sentence, second issue: Who is "they"? And what makes "them" believe that?
Third sentence: Great headline!

Is she usually that quick or is this somewhat a summary of her in-depth analysis over time which one would have to know in order to follow her here?
Do you know how no fly zones are enforced?
 

Eraserhead

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I don't think an establishment politician like Hilary has any chance of starting a nuclear war. It's absurd.
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Do you know how no fly zones are enforced?
You know India and Pakistan have had wars without firing nuclear weapons.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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I don't think an establishment politician like Hilary has any chance of starting a nuclear war. It's absurd.
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You know India and Pakistan have had wars without firing nuclear weapons.
I said nothing about nuclear war. I was asking the poster if he knew how no fly zones were enforced.

[...]
It is now Hillary Clinton that wants to start an
air war with Russia over Syria by calling for a no fly zone.


First sentence, first issue: Promoting a no Fly zone equals already an air war with Russia?
 

twietee

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Do you know how no fly zones are enforced?
Tell me! Nuking the Kremlin? I guess it invovles sound reasoning and some diplomatic talent.

But aren't they generally considered means to protect the civilians?

Also, this isn't the first time during the war in Syria a no-fly zone is promoted - we haven't had a nuclear war so far. You think Clinton wants to celebrate her presidential career by starting a nuclear war?? Or that Putin wants one?? I dislike both but they are far to experienced, rational and calculating to justify such jumping to conclusions without any sound reasoning, one that would need more than two sentences for a headline. IMO such statements are ridiculous and only serve to further irritate and confuse rather than shedding light or the voice of reason.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Is she correct in saying that Trump wants to work with Russia while Hillary doesn't ?
She very well may be right on Trump working with Russia....but just how far does that go? And is he really being played by Russia? Why is Russia hacking into our election this year? Those are the more important questions to be answered.

But Stein has seemingly always hated Clinton, so I don't expect her to spend too much time pondering such questions. But she should be.
 
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twietee

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After reading her statements, do you think that she is generally correct in her analysis ?
Is there an unwritten rule that the OP never interferes with his own opinion? I'd like to know your point of view. You must be interested in this afterall since it was you that brought it up. :D
 

Plutonius

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Is there an unwritten rule that the OP never interferes with his own opinion? I'd like to know your point of view. You must be interested in this afterall since it was you that brought it up. :D
Neither of them will start a nuclear war.

That being said, I have always thought that Trump was less likely to get us involved in a war then Hillary.

My opinion only :).
 

rdowns

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This Hillary is going to tart a war with Russia narrative is nuts. Nuts as many of the Trumpets and Jill Stein.