One flowchart to end all political discussions once and for all

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    So if rich people broke ****, the solution is to pick someone that has never held a real job in his entire life to fix things. And if you believe woman are people the solution is to pick a woman who denies and intimidates woman who have made claims that her husband raped them. Got it.
     
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    Reddit is awesome. Almost as awesome as 4chang.
     
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    NO sense of humor. Points off.
     
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    or a rich guy who has had scams bankruptcies and failed businesses and goes through wives like shoes.
     
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    Making America great again, one immigrant wife at a time.
     
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    LOL and I retract my previous post.
     
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    I don't get the Kasich dig, though.
     
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    I don't necessarily agree with the results, but who cares?
     
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    I took it to reference, vaguely, the whole thing about his having said that women "came out of their kitchens
    to put up hard signs for his campaign, etc. Or else his anti-choice stance. Also took it to mean the guy who did the flowchart wanted to wrap it up and get it out there so whatever came to mind would do... anything that could seem opposite of Clinton.
     
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    But in reality, Kasic is probably closer ideologically to Clinton than any other candidate. Kasic is the most "moderate" of the GOP candidates. And Clinton herself is a relative moderate/centrist when you compare her to hard-leftist Sanders.
     
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    Hard left Sanders is a pawn to "create" a centrist moderate Hillary.
     
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    I too have said approximately that somewhere in these threads, likely more than once. But I've also been reminded after saying such things, that Kasich is not moderate on abortion rights issues.

    Clinton is more of a mystery to me on policymaking. On the abortion issue, she has chimed in on the "safe and rare" meme in recent years. I don't disagree with that in principle but I sometimes wonder what she would think that means in terms of availability of clinics, and funding for them. The Republicans may have more or less given up on overturning Roe v Wade in letter of law for now, and state by state have instead turned to tactics like legislating more hurdles into the process (invasive sonograms etc), or closing clinics that don't practically exist as standalone hospitals. One Republican "mission accomplished" effect of closing clinics is that it becomes almost as impossible to get an abortion now as it was in the 1950s, unless one has money. OK so you don't have to fly to Sweden, just scrape up the dough for a 200-mile round trip bus ticket. Does Clinton figure that's ok? I really don't know. She's said she doesn't plan to overturn ACA and start again with single payer. Does that mean she is concerned about poor women not having local access to clinics where they get women's health care aside from abortions? Maybe. Can she do anything about states taking the close-the-clinics approach? Probably only through Supreme Court appointments. The court has already seemed to be taking a dim view of some of the newer state laws, seeing through the tactic to the motive of curtailing a woman's right to choose.

    On foreign affairs, I have blithely called Clinton a neocon because she usually talks like one. On domestic policy, I have no clue how she expects to get anything done with a gridlocked Congress and I hope it's not that she will move right again (after being nudged left by Sanders). If she does that, the so-called slumbering left in Congress will not be as quiet as they were while Obama moved to the right to get anything past the party of NO

    Bernie Sanders is not a pawn and he has definitely had the effect of causing some of Clinton's policy statements to shift somewhat to the left. Whether they shift right again upon her election would remain to be seen. The progressive Democrats in Congress and in the electorate have been encouraged by "the Sanders effect", and will not be so docile as during Obama's terms. When the 115th Congress rolls into town, regardless of who's in the White House, the minority leader of Democrats in the House will have more of a challenge herding those cats. I have to say Pelosi has done an amazing job during Obama's administration, both in preventing total streamroll sometimes but also in marshalling the votes to pass the "best we could have gotten" deals. Pelosi and Reid together are why it's the Republicans who are seen as the party of NO. Whether it cost Dems too much is still an open argument but the price of never getting anything done on ACA, for instance, was too steep for the country, as imperfect as that thing is.
     
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    LOL. What exactly qualifies as a "real job" then? Since apparently spending 4 terms as mayor and completely revitalizing downtown Burlington and the Lake Champlain waterfront doesn't count.

    Clearly a lucky sperm reality TV star without any experience at all in public service would be a better choice... :rolleyes:
     
  16. Meister, Mar 26, 2016
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    Buying a new pair every 20 years?

    I don't want to see how your shoes look...
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    It's not that funny and it doesn't make sense.

    Might as well post moving colors for entertainment:

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    Now that is funny!
     
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    It was pretty funny if you dom't take it too literally, plus makes about as much sense as the campaigns thus far. I think it exercised my brain more than your spinning colors clip but then I have color wheels in my studio so... POINTS OFF FOR LACK OF NOVELTY. Grade: C minus.

    Saving grace: your color wheel spins to the left. Congratuations on joining us. Revised grade: B plus.
     
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    :oops: This is one map I have, but still can't figure out which way the vote really ends up..

    map.jpg
     
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    Yeah whoever did that map is not about voting flow charts, that's for sure. Looks like another go at connecting the Bush family to everything under the sun. You don't want to look at something like that for too long. My brother once knew a trucker who had to be removed from the cab of his truck one night by the EMS because he fell into a kind of catatonic stupor. He had stopped his rig for a long light at the edge of a town in the wee hours of that night, and started thinking about how everything was pretty much connected to everything else...

    Gotta love how the Carlyle Group and the Rose Law Firm always turn up in these things. Like there's so much love lost between the Bushes and Clintons :D
     
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    Your map lacks robots, blockchains, and offshoring. It's clearly a map of the past, and well on its way to being completely irrelevant.

    I was also going to say it lacked clean nuclear energy, but that's actually hidden within at least 3 named boxes. Finding those boxes is left as an exercise for the reader.
     
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    far too generous, it's already there. Vince Foster for God's sake.
     
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    Or define what the system is and how it's broken...

    Or people who think outside the box can bring in perspective. Maybe not as the leader at the top but someone to actually listen to and take into consideration along with everything else our messy society and world are.

    The funny part is, people say they are tired of "career politicians", want somebody who isn't an insider, but then say that they can't invoke change because they're not insiders who know the system! Or are incompetent or are sellouts or ate the wrong brand of ice cream for dessert... sigh
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    The Vince Foster issue and scores of others have been debunked long ago, for God's sake... Clinton is not the real legacy you might want to look up - Reagan's, since a lot of the referenced issues have not been dismissed, for God's sake...

    http://liberalslikechrist.org/+Reasonable/Reagan.html
     
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    I don't think it's a true dig. It reads like they just need a foil for Clinton.
     
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    I don't think abortion is a nice thing to do. Of course, a lot of anti-abortion people that caaaaaaaaaaaaaare also seemed to have decided that the moment one slides down the chute that it's no longer time to care. There is a relevant double standard with the "pro life" crowd. And I don't mean "commit a heinous crime, get the death penalty". Just get sick and they are told how they should have been responsible and how health care isn't a right (despite "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for which health happens to be a relevant part of...)

    I side the same way.

    Maybe the solution is to have more clinics - competition would lower prices so much that the federal government needn't have to fund them at all? (We both know that's a crock, but it sure does sound mighty nice on the surface, doesn't it?)

    Given the safety of the woman wanting it done, what's wrong with a standalone hospital doing the abortion process? Of course, hospitals probably cost more than a standalone clinic...

    So much for freedom...

    Sounds like a mockery...

    Not my opinion to call.

    In the 1990s, she was all for it, complete with the anti-union entertainer who's part of AFTRA and SAG doing stunt skit rap songs like "Womb to the Tomb". Since then, the for-profit system has spiraled out control, ACA has added forms and overhead that add cost that could even be argued as "needless"... she does want to augment the program, and keep in mind that private insurance is a form of socialism - people pay in and receive as a result. As long as they qualify and the insurance company deciding if a person can't get care... wait, isn't that the sort of death panel that some politician was hyping up in 2008 or something? Oops...

    Back to the point: An instant transition to single payer isn't possible. The system is already so complex and convoluted, such changes really do need time to implement and in a way that people go along with. Or, rather, if there was an overnight replacement system, how do you think people might react? Which is hyperbole because we can only guess...

    Possibly.

    But being pro-life means consideration for the post-born as well, which goes right back to supporting abortion for reasoned circumstances...

    In 2008, people thought Obama's tactics would be better. They did not. Clinton has an accomplished resume and isn't as soft. Which is ideal considering modern day, due largely in part due to congress obstructing and playing games, even when Obama reaches out more than anyone should ever begin to half to considering all the crap they gave him over the years. Americans are tired of that.

    Now maybe Sanders, if elected, would use executive orders to move change forward faster, but - again - how will people react? And "people" includes "corporate persons".

    I'm not sure how anyone could believe such a concept.

    As with every leader in general.

    Probably.

    "Randy tomcats who just snorted catnip" is a more apposite epithet. :crazy:

    Um,

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-context-behind-nancy-pelosis-famous-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-quote/

    The quote, regardless of context, was simply STUPID.

    And after 5 years of the mess known as the ACA (which is Romneycare, softened, and put on a federal level by Obama, for which Romney was obstreperous in wanting to eliminate it for 5 years bleating -- at least until he ultimately admitted the ACA was based on his own MA reforms/private insurance giveaways. )


    Pretty much. :(
     

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