One of the Russian businesses Mueller indicted decides to show up for arraignment...

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    1) Mueller indicted 13 Russians and 3 Russian businesses for a horse and pony show knowing that none of them would actually show up in court. The main stream media remembers this as they celebrated the event knowing that nothing would come of it.

    2) Concord Management and Consulting shows up to court asking for arraignment, planning to plead not guilty and requesting discovery to fight the case.

    3) Mueller backpedals faster than a 2 year old barrelling towards the end of the driveway. Starts questioning whether Concord Management and Consulting had been properly served which is extremely dumb considering that they showed up for arraignment (consider them served, they are there to hear the charges against them and contest). Mueller quickly realizes that full discovery is going to be required in this case and he might have to actually prosecute something.

    4) Concord states that Mueller has ignored their requests for discovery for weeks. Judge Dabney Friedrich denies his request to postpone charges that he filed (how embarrassing).

    Mueller has one option here, drop the indictment, and that would be ****ing embarrassing. What a joke, this guy is the 4D chess player? Why the **** would you indict a business entity?
     
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    Mueller Time is off to a shaky start... Stormy Daniels is not impressed :mad:
     
  3. Irishman, May 10, 2018
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    Here's a source for you, btw, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ns-cook-pleads-not-guilty-in-us-idUSKBN1IA1I7

    Do you think that it's telling that only one of the 13 Russians and 3 Russian businesses is trying to challenge Mueller? Do you think it's a good thing that we hold those responsible for compromising the 2016 election? Further, whose damn side are you on, anyway? Fricking Rush Limbaugh speaking like he's one of Putin's boys here: https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/05/07/judges-rebuke-mueller/

    I guess since Limbaugh has spent the time since the election having to support and defend Trump, then he's kinda painted himself into a corner where he HAS to support and defend Putin!
     
  4. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Sides? If you indict someone you better be ready to prosecute the case, so I'm on the side of genuine justice. Does Mueller have the goods or not? We found out yesterday that Mueller counseled Comey prior to his testimony, thats a little ****ing odd.

    Seems like Mueller's case has devolved into trying to get Trump into a perjury trap, guess what that means? No actual facts to indict. If he can't even prosecute the Russians he accused directly how is he going after Trump?
     
  5. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    This may be the silliest comment I have read on here in a long time, and that’s saying something. Nothing that happened in this hearing was that unusual, and to think that it indicates that Mueller doesn’t have a case in nonsensical. The concern that the prosecutors have is that the individual behind this company (who was also indicted but isn’t coming forward) is using the claim against the company to find out what the government has on him. The prosecutors are rightfully concerned about that.
     
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    Lol, Trump logic.

    Here’s a theory, wait until the investigation is over before harping on how he has nothing and joking about routine court appearances.

    Watergate was a witch hunt with no dirt on Nixon... until it wasn’t, and they did.
     
  7. AlliFlowers Contributor

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    I've just read the entire article, and don't see how you've interpreted this as Mueller backpedalling.

     
  8. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    They shouldn't have brought a case then, they are questioning whether the defendant has been served while they are standing next to them waiting for charges to be read, you can't eat both sides of the apple. Mueller was a ****ing idiot to indict business entities.
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    They want to delay the case even though the defendant showed up, I don't know how you would describe that as anything but backpedaling.
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    It's not a routine court appearance, Mueller indicted, the defendant showed up, and Mueller now wants to delay his indictment to see if they have been properly served even though they showed up. That's ****ing embarrassing and the judge rightfully threw him out on his ass.
     
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    Whatever makes you feel better.
     
  10. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    I suggest that you read the story again. The defendants did not show up at court. Lawyers claiming to represent the defendants did. The question seems to be whether those lawyers are authorized to represent the defendants. If they are not, the trial could not proceed (see post by AlliFlowers). It sounds like the lawyers convinced the judge that they were representing the defendants so that the trial can go ahead. I am pretty sure Trump's chorus of 'fake news' is rapidly going to become 'fake testimony', but the legal system will decide this matter. Be patient. You might be right, but you might just be wrong.
     
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    A) Federal prosecutors indict corporations all the time. That’s standard practice.

    B) They did not “show up.” Their lawyers did.

    C) The judge didn’t “throw him out on his ass.”

    D) Raising the service issue and the delay request were both designed to try to get the owner of the company in court. That’s who they really want.
     
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    They have to exaggerate to indulge in their fantasy that they know anything about this investigation. ZA also posted a thread about how this investigation has been going on for two years. Last I checked, Mueller was brought on just less than a year ago, and the FBI investigation had only been going on around six months. That's barely a year and a half. But two years sounds longer, makes the investigation sound like its been going on longer, etc.

    Meanwhile, Mueller has who knows what on who knows who, and that lack of certainty probably bother Orange Nixon's supporters as much as it does the Con Don himself.
     
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    Just you're friendly reminder

    The Watergate investigation took just over 2 yrs
    The Hillary Clinton investigation(s) took just over 2 yrs
    The Bill Clinton investigations took around 4 yrs


    Ill keep a copy of this in my sig in case anyone needs a reminder.
     
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    Lawyers show up to court representing clients everyday? How would they not be authorized?
     
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    a friendly reminder in case you still have room in your signature... those 3 investigations actually involved crimes.
     
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    So you're saying this will be #4, got it.
     
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    I am no lawyer, but I thought it was fairly standard for defendants to turn up to confirm who their legal counsel is, but maybe that's just for peons like most of us. In any case, the judge seems to be satisfied on this issue so that case can begin.
     
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    Stormy has her own attorney, and he's kicking ass and just bought some bubblegum.
    I'm not a lawyer either (just work for one). In some cases a document such as a Substitution of Attorney is filed, depending upon the state's code of civil or criminal procedure. The fact that the defendants are foreign nationals and/or entities might demand an express writ stating that the local attorneys are representing them on U.S. soil.
     
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    Hang on. Are you suggesting that the Russians at Putin's order did not tamper with the 2016 election?
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    The Russians are the first part of the indictments. Mueller is ready and able to prosecute them. Once he has enough evidence for any and all domestic players, he will issue indictments for them as well.

    Mueller is not playing games, perjury traps or otherwise.
     
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    So by your logic, you should agree that every case that Trump is trying to delay or state that can't proceed until he is out of office as POTUS is backpedaling, making him a ****ing idiot.

    Yes, or no?

    BL.
     
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    Just a regurgitation of Fox News and Trump White House talking points. The only people who could be caught committing perjury are people who don't tell the truth. Trump supporters know he is an habitual, pathological liar and that he will perjure himself after about five minutes. But they turn that around and make it sound as if it would be the investigators who will do something wrong. If you don't want to be in a perjury trap, just tell the truth, something Trump is obviously afraid to do.

    If he has nothing to hide, he should encourage the fullest possible investigation of foreign interference in our election and the outing of anyone in his campaign who may have colluded with Russia. Instead, he acts like a guilty person by continually smearing Mueller, the FBI and the Dept. of Justice.
     
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    This is the kind of tyranny the founders knew about and gave us constitutional powers to protect us.
     
  23. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    The founders also knew that no one should be above the law.
     
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    See the response below. Or any of the ones that followed.

    Just one more friendly reminder, that the investigations into Hillary Clinton did not result in a single indictment. But we were all willing to let it play out for four years, so we'll let Mueller's investigation go on as well.
     

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