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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by 1458279, Dec 4, 2016.
Telling it like it is.
So your saying the left should just fold up shop. Seems that just a few months ago people were saying that about the right.
Let's dig a little deeper here and actually analyze your 'logic'.
1. Yes, the Left was saying this loud and clear about the Right. The MSM (main stream media) was all over the Right. Nancy Pelosi was actually saying they had a slim chance of making it a trifecta.
They were wrong, in fact, this could go down as the biggest "Peter Brady Party" in the entire history of humanity.
<for those that don't get that> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Peter Brady Party
However, there's something different about this. It's the REASON the Left because the biggest laughing stock of all time on the largest stage humanity has ever seen.
It's because the Left has wrapped itself up in a bubble. This bubble is as old has humanity. It looks like this:
And like this:
And ends up like this:
Nancy Pelosi: I Don’t Think Democrats ‘Want A New Direction’
The Left's problem is very, very different. It doesn't come from the Right, it comes from the Left. The Left doesn't see this and CAN'T see this because they've wrapped themselves up in a bubble. The only things let inside of the bubble is what they agree with. They have do critical thinking skills.
They can't recover from this in the direction they are going. It's like someone that as taken the wrong path out of the deep dark forest and they pass the "point of no return" but still continue down the same path.
Obama got slammed hard in 2010, yet he doubled down. He actually called for a historic meeting that was like a state of the union, then doubled down on prior policy, while saying "I hear you". He didn't hear the people, and the people kept screaming at them.
The logic of saying the Right was said to be over and came back, therefore, the Left will do the same... has several problems. What was said about the Right falling apart, came from the Left. What is being said about the Left is coming from the Left.
The Right was making a several-cycle correction, that correction isn't over yet, but we're several cycles ahead of the Left in that the Left still doesn't see there's a problem with where they are.
It could be the best thing for the Left to do. Just fold up the tent and go home. Let a new party form that the younger people create. It might be a branch of the GOP or something, but there's not much hope for the Left at this point.
Just look at Trump already saving jobs. If Trump and the GOP have ANY success with the economy, the Left is probably done forever.
Not to mention that the SC thing is HUUUUGE, that'll last for many, many election cycles. He could get someone on the SC that's hard right and in his 30's. That would seal up the SC for many, many decades.
The frankly bizarre idea that there is any left involvement in mainstream U.S. politics shows how deluded most Americans are.
My point is that every decade the parties both shift in power. I don't think the GOP will hold its ground for "decades" like you think. In fact if Trump does what I believe he will do the left will energize the base much like trump did. The GOP will let their power trip go to their heads and mainstream America won't like it. I predict the left will regain Washington within 5 years. And a democrat will be president in 4.
There's a theory of the pendulum swinging but it's not always the case that what we have fits in that model. You have to dig deeper. Remember that Obama passed ACA with basically zero support from the Right and NY Sen. Schumer said the Dems really screwed up bad in not making jobs the number one focus. The ACA failed and it literally has Obama's name on it.
You can't lie to the people about the economy. The Dems tried with at least two things, Obama brought the stats inside the WH and they faked the jobs numbers before the re-election of Obama.
These two things (ACA, Economy) are different, because you can't lie to the people about these things. They look in their wallet and know how the economy is doing, they look at their bills and know how much the ACA is costing. You can lie about ISIS, email, etc... but you can't lie about things that the people actually live.
The Dems double down again and again and again. They forced an unlikeable person upon their own voters. Bernie had the crowds, they rigged the system, lied about it and pushed the popular person out, they shut out his followers.
The root of the problem with the Dem plan is that the "must make" shot was never going to hit. If the ACA or jobs had worked, we'd be looking at a different outcome. There's few things American's love more than a full take-over ending in a victory. Obama got the ball, made his shot(s) and missed.
All Trump has to do is reduce red tape, that alone will change things dramatically. Everything else is just icing on the cake.
The key to gaining power is to convince people you have the right answer, the key to keeping power is to have the right answer.
Trump will be his own worst enemy. I agree that he has sn open slate to make change. Will he go overboard and piss off the base. Or will his own Twitter account be what does him in. His cabinet is not looking like change or draining the swamp as he says. There are more billionaires in his administration than any other. Time will tell if trump really cares about America or just himself. If the latter is true it will be a bumpy ride for the GOP.
We don't need any more time to know that Trump only cares for himself. Only question is how much damage he will do before enough people stand up to him and put a stop to his shenegans.
The left will never go away. They're too smug and elitist. They think that Trump won because of racism and xenophobia instead of that they put forth a **** candidate who could not connect with the average American. Remember that liberals have an absolute distaste for middle America (aka flyover country). Their distaste doubles if you're a white Christian. Triples if you're not a beta cuck and a white alpha male.
Let's not forget that Trump was a **** candidate as well. Both parties could and should have done better.
How would any of this be much different than the campaign that just put him into the highest office in the land in the most watched pres run in human history and they biggest upset ever seen?
Point: people already know Trump.
You described people by their wealth, not by their skills.
Going overboard and piss off the base? Really? Going overboard is what the base WANTS!
Maybe you don't realize just how close America was to it's 2nd civil war.
Like it or not, this could be America's biggest game changing election ever. It's hard to imagine any more radical direction change that America has ever had.
It's clear that Trump will be bold. He's taking calls that raises eyebrows in China, he's working deals with Carrier and he's not yet president. The WH really sums up how Obama is feeling right now with their response to the Carrier deal.
Obama's got to be on fire because everything he's done will be undone by the guy he mocked and mocked him.
Do we really know what he's going to do. We know what he said. We know his business record. We know he loves the sound of his own voice. But we don't know anything about how he will be president. He really is a lose canon and both sides are clueless to what he will do.
That's what they said about Reagan. He was pretty well known an the Left really bashed him to no end and they still do. The hate that comes from the Left over everyone in the GOP is just unreal.
TBH, I think Bill Maher really hit this nail on the head.
BILL MAHER: Democrats 'made a big mistake' when we 'cried wolf' on other Republicans
The Left really pushed hard for their agenda and excluded the Right very hard. You really have to expect that this kind of push back would bound to happen after the last 8 years and then what the Left did during the campaign was just unreal.
Caught cheating against Bernie twice and lying about it, giving Hillary the questions. Bashing the sh__ out of Trump over things that are perfectly legal and giving Hillary a pass on things that are illegal? Really? Did you think America was so corrupt that we'd let that pass?
Letting the IRS attack Americans based on their views? Really?
AG going after people's free speech with threats if they are mean to muslims? Really?
Obama calling a beheading of a Christian by a Muslim "workplace violence" and not terrorism? Really?
Destroying Libya and causing the crisis in Europe? Really?
What exactly could Trump do that would be worse? End all life on Earth? That's about what it would take.
The Left deserves everything they got, they created Trump, they lost so much power it's hard to even imagine a party self destructing this bad. It's as if the Dem leadership is actually double agents from the GOP. At least then they could say they are doing a good job.
All I see is a bored liberal trying to verbally hang Donald Trump from a positive rope.
What a bizarre post. You made no sense at all.
I think you got that backwards. Deep down insider they all have their hearts at the right place. (Left that is, just in case..)
Might be hard to follow, but basically the Left has wrapped itself into a bubble where all they allow in is what agrees with their views. This is what's different between the two parties.
The problem with being wrapped in a bubble is that it becomes self serving. They don't see any other views, they cry wolf 24/7 and end up where the Left is now.
Worse is that they can't see it. That's why it's not going to change any time soon.
They've already done that by becoming a regional party. Might as well change their name to reflect the new brand.
That's because too many people believed the bogus information coming from the mainstream media.
I can't wait to quote these threads in 4 years after the right completely fails to govern properly once again.
Yes, but he earned his right through a 16 candidate primary. Hillary was basically given her slot by the DNC.
That's OK by me, because in two years Democrats are going to be facing their worst electoral nightmare:
The election two years from now had already looked difficult for Senate Democrats, who must defend 25 seats compared to just eight held by Republicans. The Democrats’ list includes two independents, Vermont’s Bernie Sanders and Maine’s Angus King, who align with them.
Of those 25 senators, 13 are from states Trump captured or narrowly lost. Among those are Maine, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which hadn’t backed a GOP presidential candidate since the 1980s, leaving both parties trying to discern how much Tuesday may have reordered the lineup of blue, red and swing states.
Five Democrats are from states Trump easily carried, by 19 percentage points or more — Indiana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri and Montana.
I'm not expecting a huge showing from democrats in 2 years for congress. I suspect most will keep their seats. What we should see, if the Democratic Party is smart, is a strong focus on state elections.
I might need some guidance on this because as I, a non-American, sees it "left" is a political leaning and not a party that should 'quit'. If that's what it means then what a truly bizarre statement. No side should "quit".
But also the popular vote. There are more left-leaning people than right in the US. So that dominant side should perhaps mobilise, strategise a way to 'play' the EC system to make a government that can represent the majority of its people.
Are you expecting the Dems to do well at the state level? IDK what the state battles are going to be like but the GOP rules at the state level. It's some 10X the control that the Dems have when looking at full control and it's very strong in any other measure.
Do the Dems have some upper hand in what races are up in the mid-terms like the GOP does in the Senate?
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The Dem party didn't line up with the views of the 'Left'. When you say more left-leaning, that's kinda hard to say, they might be members of the Dem party, but the fastest growing party is Ind and it's becoming a real factor.
The Dems went away from it's party. Most Americans did want the ACA, the concern was jobs and the job growth wasn't good.
Under Obama the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. 95% of the Obama recovery went to the top 5% of the people. They left is lead by elites that have the attitude that they should be bowed down to. They have failing policies like the ACA. They never have solutions that work, the President of the United States of America has NO plan to fix his signature plan (ObamaCare) as it fails. BTW, Obama is President.
Listen to the video. Trump is out there saving 1000 jobs for Americans while Obama is saying "it can't be done". The people in charge of the Dems (Nancy, Obama, etc...) only care about their own wealth. Hillary only cared about her own wealth. Look at the high speed rail in CA, the contracts went the Dem party leaders and their families. Look at the corruption by Dems in Ill. It's a very, very corrupt party, they don't even respect the votes of their own members.
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I'm not sure that people will notice.
Maybe I'm cynical after having watched "The Big Short" again, but it seems to me that people will find their scapegoats—in the movie the narrator cracked that they would be poor people and immigrants—and that they will be angrier in four years, but not necessarily willing to listen to Democrats.
I'd dare say that Trump's success against the others proves not how good Trump is, but how astonishingly bad they were.
And, the DNC allowed three other candidates—one not actually from the party—to run against Clinton.
Sanders presented a significant challenge, and unfortunately, Clinton's team never wrapped their head around his messages. Instead, they hoped that Clinton's femininity against Trump's grotesqueries would carry the day.
They were wrong.
He means Democrats. And, of course this is the same structural arguments we see post-election, which is that one ideological side is nearly out of gas.
Yep. The right understood the game better this time, but there are signs that the right is in trouble.
First, people 18-24 voted almost entirely for Clinton. Second, Republicans are losing African Americana, Asian and Latino voters. All growing segments of the population. Third, some of the states Republicans won are losing population, which means that tipping points caused by the above are more likely.
Now, Republicans have responded by gerrymandering districts to the hilt to protect the House, and they've tried to suppress votes.
One lawyer for the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights said that in Wisconsin as many as 300,000 voters eligible voters might have been turned away because of voter ID laws, in a state that Trump won by only 11,000 votes.
That said, Democrats have to figure out how to convince voters that their positions are valid and get their vote. And, this will require a serious effort.