One party system, better than two party system?

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  1. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    While I'm no fan of communism, it looks like we're at the dawn of the Chinese century. Has our two party political system divided us to the point where we can no long compete on the world stage?

    We chase the ghost of Bin Laden into on failed enterprise after another, wasting trillions of dollars on endless war with a verb. Seemingly the only thing our political leaders can agree on is more debt, while China continues to grow economically.

    All empires fall, sooner or later.

    Our downfall will be economic, we failed to see all the warning signs, an overvalued stock market, housing bubble, tech bubble, sovereign debt bubble. We are too busy infighting over who gets to go to the girls restroom to notice our own ruination.

    They used to say, don't mess with America, you don't want to awake the sleeping giant. Don't give us all a single cause to rally around. There doesn't seem to be any danger in that anymore, the political divide is so vast and absurd that if one party said the sky was blue, that other would argue to the ends of the earth that it was clear.

    Singularity of purpose, China has it, and we do not.
     
  2. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    Multiparty, thank you very much.

    Why do you assume that Chinas growth has anything to do with a single party system? India is doing the same thing with multiple parties just fine.
     
  3. DearthnVader thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Is India a creditor nation, or a debtor nation?

    It is foolish to build one's castle on the soft sand of debt.
     
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    The decline of the US started with FDR and all of his socialist programs.
     
  5. DearthnVader thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Funny, because we had a post war boom, and China does not seem to be suffering from their socialist programs.
     
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    You will have that when you are the only manufacturing left standing and not completely literally bombed to bits.
     
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    It's a by-product of their culture. We might be able to develop it over a long period of time, but we can't just flip a switch and expect to change our individualistic ways.
     
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    This is an oversimplification of China. China is a complex country, with many different currents and traditions. I think that once Mao said that there is no China outside of Beijing, meaning of course that internally China shouldn't be seen as one monolithic country.
    You write that "we're at the dawn of the Chinese century," but forget one simple fact: China lived well for two-thousand years before the Americans told them that China needed the Americans. And China lived happily from 1776 without the United States. China will live its century which is not mutually exclusive with the American, or the Indian century.
     
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    The decline in America is rooted in ignorant and selfish individuals who devalue society and how much they owe to it.
     
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    Right like I said socialism, which people think they deserve something for nothing based on the labor of others....see the healthcare thread.
     
  11. DearthnVader thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I think you just described the banking system of the western world, something for nothing.

     
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    Well, I think it depends on the definition of "compete on the world stage". Does not being #1 in everything mean the US isn't competitive? I don't think so and I actually think this is a good thing. We can't continue to be all things to all nations.

    To answer the question, no absolutely not. We don't need a single party system. The vomit that we call political dialogue today is caused by having too few parties, not too many.
     
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    A house divided against itself falls.
     
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    This thread is full of a lot of self-hate, self-doubt, and fear mongering.
     
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    True, but a nation of immigrants (literally) is never going to think, value and reason exactly the same. We've never been able to force that and we never will.
     
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    Yup. A multi-cultural society is not all good, all the time. It does have its drawbacks.
     
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    I take it you're not a fan of car insurance either?
     
  18. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    I think it's a double edged sword. You get the occasional social strife and tension, but you also get exposure to how people from other parts of the world think.

    Americans can learn a lot about how to manage resources from people who come from poorer countries. Hispanic families, for example, more frequently live together with extended family. There are lots of financial (as well as social/developmental) upsides to this...if we could only learn to live with our in-laws. :p
     
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    Makes you wonder how many men or women have been tempted to throttle their in-laws off of a cliff.
     
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    No way in hell :eek: (heck even with my own family, meant as parents and siblings)
     
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    They need to add a double thumbs up button. We always look to government as if they should be giving us something we do not deserve (thinking we do deserve it). Take a lesson from JFK, and do for your country instead of taking from it.
     
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    Well, that's the point I was making. There's some bad too. With growing populations, yes we will likely have to start doing more long-term cohabitation. Up to Americans to decide if that's something they want. I don't see it as all bad. Suburbs not good for it though.
     
  23. Zenithal macrumors 603

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    Clearly you guys have never rented a 10 room 'cabin' in the snowy mountains and it ends up feeling like you're playing a game of Clue.
     
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    We are more alike, than we are unalike. When the time has arisen in the past, to put our differences aside, for the common good, we have always been equal to the challenge. I'm not sure that will continue to be the case, if we continue down the road we are on. The petty differences forced down from our two party political system, maybe our undoing.
     
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    I hear what you're saying. I got married at 20 and never looked back. It worked out OK for us but...what would it look like if my son for example, got married and he and his wife lived with us while they saved up to pay cash for a house and lived completely debt free?

    Like you, that wasn't even remotely an option for me (I probably wouldn't have entertained it at that point in my life anyway), but what if it was? I know a few 1st, 2nd and even 3rd gen immigrant families that do this and it works amazingly well. But most of us Americans recoil at the idea.

    As much as I like Maya Angelou, the truth is that we have non-trivial cross-cultural differences in this country. They don't have to destroy us, but they certainly will if we just pretend they're not there.

    What we need is for everyone to make more of an effort to understand and accept the diversity of others (not necessarily agree with it, but understand it). I agree that this current political environment doesn't facilitate that at all but a single party will do an even worse job...because like I said, we don't all think alike. A better solution is to have multiple parties so we aren't forced to align ourselves with fringe nut jobs on one side or the other every time we vote.
     

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