Only 1 US soldier died in Afghanistan in November

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  1. rasmasyean macrumors 6502a

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28001559/

    So does this mean Taliban / Rebels are getting weaker?
    Or does this mean the US is getting weaker by not hunting them down themselves and letting the Afghans do the half-arse dirty work?

    Discuss... :)
     
  2. Schtumple macrumors 601

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    Can't wait for the pro war people to spin this in a positive light.

    Because you know, one person dying is apparently a good thing...
    It's only one family that gets shattered and emotionally ruined...
    And that's good... :confused:
     
  3. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    There have been a lot of other deaths, including recent attacks in Kabul. Overall, 12 US+NATO troops died in November, lower than last year's 22 in November, but still the second highest November total to date.

    http://icasualties.org/oef/

    With the winter months ahead, deaths should remain relatively low. True success would reverse this trend:

    Total US+NATO fatalities:

    2003: 57 (48 US)
    2004: 58 (52)
    2005: 130 (99)
    2006: 191 (98)
    2007: 232 (117)
    2008: 267 (152) (to date)

    Afghanistan is a lot more complicated than Iraq, but if fatalities can be brought down to 2003 levels or lower, that would definitely be an improvement.
     
  4. Counterfit macrumors G3

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    Well, it's certainly better than 2 or more people dying. Obviously 0 is the ideal.
     
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    Yes but it's still not acceptable, no-one should've died...
     
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    Obviously, it means that US troops are shirking their duty and not paying their "debt in blood". :rolleyes:
     
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    I'd like to take this opportunity to remember Yubraj Rai, Robbert McKibben, Krishna-bahadur Dura, Alex Lucas, Georgie Sparks (19) and Tony Evans (20). The members of the British Army that died in November in Afghanistan.

    Boys. Dead.
     
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    What about all the innocent bystanders in Iraq and Afghanistan that we are killing? Are they less important than US soldiers?
     
  9. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    Important to whom? No doubt, to their family and friends, they are far more important than U.S. soldiers.
     
  10. rasmasyean thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It's always tragic then stray bullets hit. It's part of any conflict and always has been. Though some of those "civilians" are often "military targets" or around military targets because they are participating indirectly in battle. And some others are "innocent" by some other standard measure. The bomb on Hiroshima was one such memorable mass scale event where it's unclear where you draw the line.

    As for the US soldiers and other combatants on all sides...
    Although no one wants to die (or knows when they will) and no "family and friends " want them to die, you have to remember that being a combatant is voluntary. These people do what they do and accept the possible consequences...to contribute to a cause that they deem is worthy. You can weep for them, or be "proud" of them. I'm sure most of them would prefer the latter. Their life is important, but so is their death. To think otherwise would be belittling their contribution, imho.
     
  11. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    Well, being a U.S. soldier is arguably voluntary, but being a "combatant" is kind of another thing. Any relationship is a two-way street. People sign up with certain expectations, beliefs, understandings, and so on about what they are signing up for. One soldier's "cause" is different from anothers, and it would simply be untrue to assume that all soldiers think we should be fighting these wars.

    I think it's a convenient argument to say that no soldier has the right to complain because they volunteered--and by extension no war can be criticized because we have a volunteer military--doesn't hold water. I also volunteered for my current job. Does that mean I can't criticize aspects of it or actions of my company?
     
  12. JW8725 macrumors 6502a

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    Soliders die, thats what wars are about. Its the innocent Afganistani people I would rather hear about. How many of those poor innocent people have been killed?

    I'm past hearing about how many soldiers died doing what..etc.
     
  13. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    1 soldier dead, one too many

    how many dozens/hundreds of innocent civilians died this week tho?

    edit: and be proud vs sad for their loss? Thats just twisted on so many levels....
     
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    Are you being serious?
     
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    A lot of us are irritated that all we hear bout is soldiers' deaths, but not Iraqi or Afghani deaths. They're people too, after all. And before you even say it, I have had several friends and family members fight in this war. I am extremely concerned for our soldiers, but it would be nice if these reports included all who have lost their lives.
     
  16. TSE macrumors 68030

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    Yes. I agree, we should hear more about other people's lives too, but that is not what he said.
     
  17. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I think you read far too much into what he said.
     
  18. TSE macrumors 68030

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    Let's hope so. Let's hope he didn't actually mean what he said and the words just came out wrong.
     
  19. TSE macrumors 68030

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    There are so many things wrong with your post, iJohnHenry. So many things.

    RIP the 3 Canadian soldiers.
     
  20. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    What is wrong with that post?
     
  21. TSE macrumors 68030

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    He doesn't even acknowledge the guys who died. He just simply says a smartass comment after posting a link to it. That is terribly rude and disrespectful.
     
  22. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    Let him rant. I can take it.

    The U.S. got us into this mess, and now our boys are paying the price.

    Now what was wrong with my post??
     
  23. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    So we have to continuously say RIP in every post or we are disrespectful?

    And the comment was actually before the link.
     
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    Canada is an independent country from the USA, True or False?
     

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