Only 12 test positive in Utah welfare drug screening

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    We've already seen poor results on this elsewhere, FLorida for example. Like voter fraud, is this a solution looking for a problem?

    It's worth pointing out that Utah narrows down welfare recipients using a written test and only those suspected of drug use are then tested. Those who test positive do not lose benefits but must enter a program. So they have what seems like a better thought out way of testing and still we get costly and ineffective results.

    http://www.ksl.com/?sid=26559995&ni...re-drug-screening&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-11
     
  2. P-Worm macrumors 68020

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    Read about this in my local news yesterday. I'm sick of my state making national news for being an embarrassment.

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  3. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Hey, you're no Texas or Florida. :D
     
  4. TheHateMachine macrumors 6502a

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    Every time I see a thread with Texas mentioned here I cringe as it will most likely be something "bassackwards" and embarrassing.

    I've been pointing this out to people how drug testing welfare recipients is a colossal waste of money. Good to see more sources for munitions, too bad it won't turn back time though.

    Fraud seems to be becoming quite the rallying buzzword these days.
     
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  6. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Politicians suck. Let's demonize the poor instead of dealing with the real issues.
     
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    But at least the fiscally responsible party that pushed this through saved so much money... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Utah...Really?

    I'd like to see the same test in NYC, Chicago, or Los Angeles.
     
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    I might just put this quote in my signature.
     
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    So what were the test questions? "Do you do drugs"?

    Sounds like they probably found the dumbest people on drugs/welfare to me. Someone who has gamed the system their entire life is surely going to be able to skirt a written examination.
     
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    Plenty of people think illicit drug use IS a real issue, especially if their tax money is helping to fund it.

    I'm fine with testing people, and cutting off their benefits if they test positive, but I haven't yet heard a good solution for determining whom to test. Testing everyone is prohibitively expensive, so is pre-screening.
     
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    What kind of tests were they using to cost that much?

    I used to work at a staffing agency that did most of the drug tests for candidates internally, and a 10 panel urine or oral/saliva test cost like $6-10 a pop.
     
  14. xShane macrumors 6502a

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    I think the better question is, is why do you think there's a large number of welfare recipients that are drug users?

    Also, please provide a source to backup such claims, should you attempt to do so.
     
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    I think an EVEN BETTER question is, where did I even hint at how many people I believe use drugs, regardless of their status as welfare recipients? :confused:
     
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    Michigan instituted a random screening of welfare recipients (it was halted by a judge after only a few weeks). Their results are more believable:

    I think 10% is outrageously high (ha!), but that's the ACLU for you.
     
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    Yet apparently DoD has no problem with the State intruding unnecessarily into the lives of 90% of the people tested?
     
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    To a Libertarian rights are directly proportional to financial autonomy.
     
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    The problem is that drug testing should really be called cannabis testing, as other drugs leave your system much faster, than the arguably non-harmful drug weed.

    Drug testing is just an industry like any other, so they play up 'positives' that they want there customers to believe in, but studies have continually shown that drug testing doesn't work, and is a waste of money.
     
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    Besides, the world would be a far more dangerous place without cannabis. This is a fact.
     
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    Unless of course your indicator of success is attracting the political vote of the sanctimonious who look down on the recipients of benefits.
     
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    $30,000 spent and 12 people denied. That almost definitely was less than would have been given to them had they not been caught.
     
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    The Utah program does not deny benefits, instead they have to enroll in a substance abuse program. More money!
     

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