Semi-coherent rant ahead... As a gun collector and Democrat, I find myself in unusual situations with some regularity...I'm a member at a couple firearms forums and they are generally heavily conservative. Check that - they are almost totally conservative. Myself and another brave (foolhardy?) member (and Vietnam vet to boot) actually engaged in a debate in one of these forums recently in a thread about the Obama inauguration. Most of the members agreed that the financial crisis was the result of Democrat tinkering and, most importantly, the unions. They hate the unions. And the poor. As soon as the two foolhardy liberals spoke up, (all I did was mention that Obama and Biden were on the record as saying they would not take anybody's guns away) the mods closed the thread amid a storm of hyper-conservative rhetoric. The best part was that before we posted, one of the members had commented on how he was proud that they could have a civil discussion about Obama....well, that's because everybody was expressing the same damned (negative) opinion! The moment that situation changed the thread was shut. The thing that irritated me the most was that the only things we were trying to say were that we should be looking for middle ground, but middle ground to these people is merely a step towards their own forced disarmament. They are dug in so firmly it's mind-boggling. One particularly vociferous poster stated that any reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment or any amendment was tantamount to treason, as the founding fathers had everything figured out and we should not mess with it. I tried to point out that Amendments themselves are modifications to the Constitution and that the "founding fathers" left us a means to alter the constitution as needed. Otherwise we would still be using slaves and women like Anne Coulter wouldn't be voting (hmm....). But he couldn't accept it. Stereotypes are never completely true. But in my recent interactions with fellow gun collectors I'm left discouraged. They are all out panic-buying because of the election. Which, by the way, has driven up prices for me (thank you very much, paranoid gun owners!). My point is, if you can't talk you can't make any progress. One of the reasons I'm oriented much more towards the left than the right is that liberals, in my personal experience, are more willing to listen to positions they disagree strongly with and try to make some compromise, whereas the conservatives tend to have much more conviction and give ground only when it doesn't really cost them anything. I doubt Obama will really go after gun ownership, and I think these guys are all drinking the Anne Coulter kool-aid. But more importantly, they are unwilling to admit that their stupid guns might be less important than something else (like a massive economic crisis, two wars and global ****ing warming, for example)? So in a roundabout way this ranty post is a thank-you to Mac Rumors members and especially the mods - one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life is to approach somebody I strongly disagree with and try honestly to work towards a real compromise. So many people can't or won't do that. The PRSI forum here is moderated closely but very intelligently IMHO, and while it's dominated by the left it is at least not in total lockdown like most forums I've visited. Logging in here is a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the 'net. I'd love to see skunk and some of our other resident lefties tangle with some of these crusty old codgers. I'd like to hear the popping sound produced when their heads burst with rage.