Palestine disappeared because they did not control their own borders

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    This pro-Zionist poster is pretty clear: Israel must grow though mass immigration if it will survive. I suspect Palestinians look back today and think, "Gee, I wish that we had controlled their own borders."

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    The irony of you citing the creation of Israel as a failure to protect borders given that the US and other countries turned away Jewish refugees that ultimately died at the hands of the Nazis....
     
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    ...while Jewish Chewbacca keeps an ever vigilant eye over the safety of his new people.
     
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    Chewbacca just got a bunch of Kohls gift cards and she looked Caucasian to me
     
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    That's Texas Chewbacca, not Jewish Chewbacca.
     
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    That's not even close to being ironic.
     
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    That's the problem with refugees. When you turn them away, they don't always go back home.
     
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    How was Palestine ever realistically able to protect itself from occupation backed by a world superpower?
     
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    Palestinians would probably also have enjoyed being a nation-state, not being held under the Ottoman Empire, and not being carved up in promises made by British.

    On the surface, it looks like an appreciable analogy for immigration in the U.S., but it remains only similar at the very most surface.

    And, I'm a little worried about your sourcing. The last time I saw this argument made, it was from an anti-immigrant group with strong connections to the white power movement.
     
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    I think he meant that your stance on war refugees is to send them all back to where they came from.
    Regarding the opening post, I still don't understand it.
     
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    Comparing illegal immigration to armed occupation is in no way a close analogy.

    What we have here is a logical fallacy that makes no sense in the context of the thread title.
     
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    This thread premise belongs in the "The Stupid, It Burns" hall of fame. Multiple layers of astounding ignorance.
     
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    Shwaaaaaaaargggggh'lom.
     
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    What "armed occupation?" The West Bank isn't on the map. Weak strawman, man.
     
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    Don't forget the Europeans' roles - that's 'superpowers' plural. This mess was largely created by Europeans.
     
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    That wasn't his premise.
    The point is that if you don't have borders you don't have a nation.
     
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    Ah yes, it's Palestinians fault for not being able to withstand a more wealthy powerful aggressive nation. It's almost like blaming the victim.
     
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    What "powerful aggressive nation?" Israel fought the Arabs alone in '48. They won in part because of an influx of highly-motivated Jewish immigrants willing to usurp the occupants and make the land their own. And they did it without the Palestinian elites opening the gates.
     
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    Ah so you're saying they haven't extended their borders since '48? I guess all that land grab since then and now has all been a conspiracy.
     
  20. sim667, May 26, 2016
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    You do realise that Palestine was under the administration of Britain at the time time of the creation of Israel, and that Palestinian borders were controlled by the British, thus the creation of Israel has nothing to do with Palestinians choosing not to control their own borders, they were unable to control their own borders.

    The region was divided up into administration areas by the Sykes-Picot agreement, when Palestine was put under the administration of GB.

    Your ability to ignore large chunks of history still astounds me when you've made a rhetoric to suit your agenda.
     
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    Very true.
     
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    My point exactly. I'm glad somebody gets it.
     
  23. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Ah yes, the misleading quote tactic. Simply reserved for when arguments are futile.
     
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    No, aaronvan meant that Israel was not a "powerful aggressive nation" in 1948. It was pretty clear from his words. And yes, it was Transjordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq who sent expeditionary forces that attacked the Israeli army.

    The British Mandate for Palestine ended on 14 May 1948 at midnight. The State of Israel was established on termination of the British Mandate, i.e. on 15 My 1948. The First Arab-Israeli War started on 15 May 1948 when the invading forces of four Arab nations entered Palestine, took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements. That is what happened "at the time" mentioned and meant by aaronvan.
     
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    And is an ongoing conflict that has never been resolved.
     

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