Ok... I have a G3 900MHz, iBook (still wish i'd found out bout the G4 in time ) anyway, I'm considering buying Panther sometime in the future, but my big question is - have you noticed increased/decreased boot times vs. jag? The one embarassing feature on my iBook is the boot up time which is phenominal! It can easily take a good 2 minutes from boot, including the gear spinny thingy, which as a recent switcher bragging about my iBook can be embarassing! OS 9 gets past it's equiv. of the gear spinny thing in about 5 seconds - but OS X seems to take 90 seconds, THEN the other bit with the % bar... Why? am i waffling on? Hob!