# Parents told they could lose kids

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, Jul 19, 2019.

1. ### jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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https://www.wkrn.com/news/national/...iLzsQyrZZ3UI1xm8DLiu9EB5UEtZvu93Pg4KPqu7Ijg2U
the level of stupid in America is too damn high

2. ### Eraserhead macrumors G4

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Jesus Christ that’s scary and a total waste of money if nothing else.

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They used to send CPS to your house if you sent your kids to school without breakfast.

Then, if they didn’t find sufficient food in the household... kids were removed for lack of providing the basics.

Today, they choose to feed the kids breakfast at school and not care if the household has enough food.

4. ### Eraserhead macrumors G4

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Good. That’s cost reduction and small government.

5. ### Apple OC macrumors 68040

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The problem being... how many kids are going hungry because the household lacks not just breakfast, but also dinner?

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How much more would it cost the State or school district to take the kids out of their homes?

Putting children under foster care isn't a zero-cost option. Of course, neither is letting these families avoid paying their past bills.

The calculation is simple: Would removing children and placing them into state care be an effective use of state funds? Or would it be a waste of limited funds that would be better used elsewhere?

As a simple estimate of the cost of the unpaid bills, take the \$20k in unpaid bills and divide by the number of parents (1k). The result is an average of \$20 per parent.

Even if we subtract out the 4 parents with \$450 bills apiece (\$1800), that's \$18,200 / 996 = \$18.27 each for the remainder. That's still under \$20 per parent.

7. ### Eraserhead macrumors G4

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Let’s say putting a child into a children’s home costs \$100,000 a year and that homing them with a foster career costs \$20,000 a year. And that the court processes to remove them from their parents cost \$100,000.

The best solution IMO is to either accept that some poorer parents won’t pay the charge in full and swallow it, or to make school lunches free for everyone and survey the parents and publish a league table to control for quality.

8. ### Zenithal macrumors G3

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You're all whinging about something that isn't stated. The district holds no such power. Child services do. Child services have advised the district to not make such false claims. Far be it from the OP or anyone else to ever read the article, but doing so would put an end to the stupid back and forth argument I'm reading here.

9. ### cardfan macrumors 68000

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The best policy is free lunches for all the kids. No headaches then. That’s how it is here locally.

10. ### ugahairydawgs macrumors 68030

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Read the article all the way through. The school district was talking out of their ass. They have no authority to make that kind of claim. And having an unpaid bill is not grounds to remove a child from their home in any state. If anything having a financial need just opens the door to a greater level of government assistance for the family, not its separation.

11. ### jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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problem was the stupid district MAKING the claims in the first place..............

12. ### The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 604

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Losing your children over a debt owed to an education authority? Wow that’s extreme and highly damaging for the children who are taken away from their parents. Surely this is a spoof article? Land of the free and all that!

13. ### LordVic macrumors 603

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if parents are unable to pay for their kids lunches at schools, that is a serious indictment of a massive MASSIVE economical issue of the area.

sounds like that school board could use a little more funding to help pay for the kids meals so that the kids could at least get fed, be happy, and learn. Hungry kids don't learn nearly as well.

14. ### AlliFlowers Contributor

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Maybe these schools should be applying for Title I. Free and reduced lunch is a thing. Even here in Alabackwards, we have a government Grant where all children get free breakfast, lunch, and afternoon snack. Lunch is even provided during Summers if one is willing to go get it.

15. ### Herdfan macrumors 6502

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More than there should be . When my daughter was in HS she was a member of Backpack Buddies which assembled food boxes for kids to take home on weekends so they would have food to eat. At least her school district didn't cut kids off from meals if they didn't pay.
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Hey, parents need their smokes and beer. Not all of it is economic, some is just parents putting their needs wants ahead of their kid's.

16. ### LordVic macrumors 603

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nice generalizations there. What makes you think that any of these cases is their parents putting "smokes and beer" ahead of feeding their kids.

By all means, if a parent is doing that, then sure, maybe social services can have a word with them, and if malnutrition becomes critical, take the kids away.

But nothing in this story indicated that as cause. In fact, there's no discussion at all as to why they are unpaid. Any attribution of malice is therefore on your part and purely by personal bias.

17. ### NT1440 macrumors G5

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The recession was almost 10 years ago. Year after year we see the reports of the percentage of Americans unable to afford a sudden ~\$500 expense is at embarrassing/insulting/shameful/immoral levels.

Every year we watch as rents go up faster than wages. We watch insurance rates continue to eat any (and more than) increases in wages. We watch as our bought and sold system give hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the freaks whose only concern is having an ever higher amount of compensation. We watch as corporations continue to consolidate and meld ever more into the government’s basic functionality. We continue to watch as trillions of dollars are poured into our worldwide war machine.

It’s 2019, it’s high time to call out this “being poor is a personal morality” ******** for what it is, a lazy way to ignore the reality of the economic situation we are in. No more of this utterly mindless nonsense shrugging off of clearly systemic problems.

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19. ### mgguy macrumors 6502

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Why not use a pay-as-you-go system? For example, parents could pay for a monthly lunch pass. Parents may somehow feel that paying for services already received is unfair and hence be more resistant to paying at all.

20. ### Herdfan macrumors 6502

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It was a generalization, but an accurate one.

In college my best friend worked at a c-store that was across the street from some low-income housing. So I would stop by an see him waiting for him to get off work so we could go out. It was almost like clockwork when these kids would come over with food stamps (back before there were cards) and buy the cheapest thing they could that would give them change. He had to give dollar amount back in FS, but anything under a dollar would be real change. So a steady stream of them would come over one by one and buy the same thing and get the change. After a few trips of the kids, an adult would come over and use the change to buy beer. Happened every weekend.

The left would like to stick their head in the sand and pretend this doesn't happen, but it does and more than it should.
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No doubt they are systemic. But when you have parents that 1) teach their kids exactly how to get more and more money from the government instead of life skills and 2) chastise their kids for wanting to get above their raisin' then yes it is systemic.

But how do you fix that?

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It seems that could only have happened before 2004, when the actual printed stamps were replaced by EBT cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program
... EBT has been implemented in all states since June 2004. Each month, SNAP benefits are directly deposited into the household's EBT card account. ...​

Does this imply all fraud has been eliminated? Of course not.

But other than anecdotes that are at least 15 years old, what's the actual data on fraud rate?

22. ### satcomer macrumors 603

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It situations like this and I see why so many people try charter schools or home school them!

23. ### Zenithal macrumors G3

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That's how it is for most states, isn't it?

24. ### mgguy macrumors 6502

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I don’t know.

25. ### Mousse macrumors 68020

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My kids schools provides free lunches for everyone as well. Still, my kids insists packing a home lunch. I have sampled some of the vittles that passes for a school lunch. One usually has to be incarcerated, or in the Army circa 1960, to receive such gourmet offerings. I suspect the school lunches might be 1960's Army surplus.

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