Paul Ryan: More or less truthful than average?

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    For a politician, that is.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/the-real-mystery-of-paul-ryans-marathon-time/261866/

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/09/does-it-matter-if-paul-ryan-misstated-his-marathon-time.html

     
  2. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Is this like Kim Jong Ils holes in one the first time he played golf?

    Honestly I don't see why you'd lie about this or wouldn't know your time to that degree. Is Ryan a habitual liar?
     
  3. redshift1 macrumors regular

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    Why in the world make a false claim on something so trivial and easily verifiable. Shows a lack of judgement and honesty that far transcends the actual lie.

    When you run a lone marathon you don't forget the time.

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  4. Coleman2010 macrumors 68000

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    People who lie about such small things, in general, are perpetual liars. This shows his character.

    The media calls him a truth teller and a serious politician. Hopefully the media takes notice of his lies and this ruins his brand.
     
  5. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    His main claim to fame is also his budget so he shouldn't be innumerate.
     
  6. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Bill Maher was going on about this the other day, asking how people can talk about him as a "serious" politician when his famous budget plan doesn't even add up. Ryan is a dedicated supply-sider, and it's now obvious to everyone that supply side economics is an outright con game.

    With regards to his marathon lie, I have to agree that if you have trouble telling the truth about apolitical things, you'll certainly have trouble telling the truth about political things. Between his convention speech and this, I'd say a gift has just landed in the laps of the Democrats. Ryan is looking more and more like a habitual liar.

    And the Democrats themselves must make hay of this. Remember, rule #1 is that you define the opposition. Also remember that the Republicans made Al Gore look like a serial exaggerator -- and he was largely telling the truth. Ryan is making it very easy for the Democrats to pull the same play on him.
     
  7. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    How so? I was too young back then to be interested in politics.
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    The old "I invented the internet" canard.

    See Snopes for details.

    This lie is still a favorite among Republicans.
     
  9. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    To answer the question....yes. He lies more then the average politician. When you give a speech and everyone is talking about how inaccurate the speech was the next day, then that means you didn't do your job correctly the night before. You let your lies overshadow your message, discredited yourself and the Republican brand in the process.

    Mitt is doing that somewhat as well with allowing the lies he says to overshadow him (not to mention an empty chair). So the entire campaign has this problem. There is plenty of things they could be campaigning on. Instead they have chosen lies and snark. That says a lot about their (lack of) character.

    BTW, I would extend that to most of the GOP Convention speakers as well who seemed to be there only to promote themselves and a future campaign of their own, rather then to actually support the candidate in question. It was a very nasty and negative affair.
     
  10. Peace macrumors Core

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    I agree with that 100% but it seems that the general public doesn't seem to care and republicans care even less. Their objective is to get rid of Obama no matter what lies are put out. And it seems like its working given the average poll numbers out there.

    As long as people don't care they will continue to lie.
     
  11. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Beyond what citizenzen mentioned, there were two others that I recall.

    One had to do with flying to some disaster scene with a government official from FEMA. Gore misremembered which official it was, and that was automatically branded "another one" of Gore's serial lies, the implication being that Gore never actually even went on the trip. The GOP immediately lit up the internet with that story. They never added that Gore did fly to the scene with a different official.

    The third event had to do with Gore saying that he read that he and his wife Tipper were the inspiration for the characters in the book and movie "Love Story". A newspaper reporter wrote the story about the Gores inspiring the characters, Gore read it and was flattered. Turned out the newspaper reporter was either totally wrong, or that only one of them inspired a character (I don't really remember). Gore was taking what he read in the paper on faith. Yet the Republicans offered this up as another example of Gore's "penchant" for telling self-aggrandizing lies.
     
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Ryan set political lieing to new level. Normally the lies have some shred of truth to them. This time he just making crap up. It a sure sign of what to come. The GOP is just going to bold face lies. I really hope after election they should go after all the lieing groups for liable and revoke all the non profit status of those secret funded groups and make them pay millions in back taxes
     
  13. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Then the people will get the lying corrupt government they are asking for, I guess. But then I don't want to hear any complaints from them on how lying and corrupt it is. Considering all the secrets Romney has...erasing emails, erasing hard drives, hiding taxes...there is zero doubt in my mind that a Romney administration would be one of the most corrupt we have ever had. It will shove even MORE money into the wealthy's hands and folks...there is only so much money to go around. More for them, means less for you. It is as simple as that.

    It is amazing how many do not understand that and blindly give money to these people and allow them to amass an increasing amount of control over their lives. They complain about socialism, but then give welfare to corporations. Corporations do not need any more money. They are doing fine. Even Mitt agrees with that.
     
  14. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    What are you talking about. Gore authored an entire book lying about global warming to get rich with his carbon offset credit sales business.

    He will be immortalized for pulling the wool over the world on that one..
     
  15. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    :rolleyes:. Following scientific consensus isn't lying.
     
  16. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Concealing your profit motive certainly is.
     
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    Heh. My original comment was in response to Technarchy, paraphrasing Bill Maher the other night: "Ah yes, all those scientists buying Mercedes and mink coats..."

    Then I scrolled up and saw what thewitt said.

    It's just like a conservative to ignore his own side's rapaciousness and fault his opponent's initiative.

    First, stop -- just stop -- with the stuff about climate change being a lie. Every time someone says that, they have no idea how childish that makes them look. It's scientific concensus, not a lie told by one guy. Scientific consensus told us that Earth revolves around the sun. Yeah, you gotta watch out for all the scientists getting rich off of that piece of bull----. :rolleyes:

    As for Gore investing in carbon offsets...more power to him. Apparently he can see the future a lot better than climate deniers can.
     
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    So I guess you never listen to climate deniers who are all whiter than white and have no connections to big oil?
     
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    Paul Ryan is par for the course as far as politicians go. The problem is they are all a bunch of walking soundbites. Nobody actually wants to sit down and have an honest discussion with the electorate and talk about reality. When was the last time you had a townhall with your senator and you actually talked about the realities of things. These are that you have two choices:

    1. You don't want to pay for universal healthcare or social security, you don't want unions etc. etc. because you want low taxes and cheap stuff. Fair enough, but then don't expect anyone to care if you lose your job if your savings aren't enough to cover the cost for that broken leg or anyone to give a **** if you lose your house because you can't afford the payments, or you can't send you kids to college etc. etc.. All those services will be gone. Also accept there will be more crime as more people fall through the cracks and end up on the street. But, no more taxes, or at least less.

    2. you want those services, you want the homeless and all that to be reduced and social peace maintained as much as possible. Well that's going to cost money, and that money comes from taxes. These are your choices. What do you want?

    You want certain services from the government, well it's going to cost you. You don't want them, fine, but then don't be surprised that you and your kids will be stuck in certain social strata because you can't afford to do the things necessary such as getting a higher education to get up there.
     
  20. zioxide macrumors 603

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    This guy couldn't tell the truth if it punched him in the face. Seriously, he lies so much, how do we even know his name is really Paul Ryan?
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Pauline?
     
  22. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Our Guardian paper was criticizing CNN for not challenging Ryan's points. But in the same breath they didn't go through the points and show how they were out of context 'lies' either.

    Lazy journalism. It's easy to write colour pieces, not so easy to actually do the research and get the numbers/dates etc

    Any PRSI'er could sit and write opinion articles. I have no doubt about that. But it's not what I want to read in the paper. Not so easy to get hard facts on anything these days..
     
  23. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, the guy's so blind-sighted and quick to criticize that he didn't even realize I was asking an honest question. :rolleyes:
     
  24. jnpy!$4g3cwk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Well, you are sort of right. It turns out that the situation is more urgent than Gore suggested. Do some research.
     
  25. jnpy!$4g3cwk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Paul Ryan obviously thinks people have very short memories. But, this is ridiculous:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/paul-ryan-today_n_1853759.html
     

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